[Noisebridge-discuss] Anyone have problems with booting out overnight sleepers in the morning?

[Al Sweigart]

Just wanted to clarify, I talked with JC and when he said he has "a problem
with this", by "this" he meant booting out the sleepers, not a problem with
people sleeping. I thought he meant "sleeping" to fall under the "not
hacking" umbrella.


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> Robert "Finny" Merrill, a lack of your planning on your part does not
> constitute an actual situation where it would be ok to sleep at
> noisebridge.  The rest of the city being destroyed and it is the only
> shelter within a 7 mile radius MIGHT be considered a valid reason.  Living
> in Fremont is your decision, not the communities.  It is also not a reason
> to sleep at Noisebridge.  I would suggest leaving Noisebridge by 11 to
> ensure that you NEVER miss the last train.  Alternatively, you can still go
> to the transbay terminal, I bet and get home.  You may have to walk a bit
> once you get to Fremont and for that I am sorry.  You may be able to
> alleviate this by getting a bike/skateboard/razor/other wheeled device for
> helping you move.
>
> You may alternatively like to found a hackerspace in Fremont or perhaps
> try going to Sudoroom or Ace Monster Toys if they have better
> transportation access.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Any point fake-Al was trying to make was lost in their totally
>> unacceptable ableist language, which is a blatant violation of our
>> anti-harassment policy:
>>
>> "Harassment includes offensive verbal comments related to gender, gender
>> identity and expression, sexual orientation, *disability,* physical
>> appearance, body size, race, religion, sexual images in public spaces,
>> deliberate intimidation, stalking, following, harassing photography or
>> recording, sustained disruption of talks or other events, inappropriate
>> physical contact, and unwelcome sexual attention."
>>
>> Fake-Al probably doesn't realize that their use of terms for disabled
>> people as a generic insult is not okay, so consider this their gentle
>> warning not to do so again as whoever they choose to impersonate next.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Hannah
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just to be clear, Robert, you're against me booting out sleepers early
>>> in the morning because they might live in Fremont and not have a car?
>>>
>>> I'm assuming if they're visiting Noisebridge from Fremont, they came by
>>> BART. It's pretty easy to find the BART schedule online and during non-rush
>>> hour times the schedules are reliably accurate.
>>>
>>> And even an occasional miss of the last train wouldn't explain why
>>> people are sleeping at the space over and over again. It's because they
>>> made the conscious decision that they'll just crash at Noisebridge rather
>>> than plan to go home at night.
>>>
>>> Do you have a response, or something you'd like to clarify about what
>>> I've said?
>>>
>>> -Al
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Robert "Finny" Merrill <
>>> rfmerrill at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> yeah, fuck people who live in fremont and don't have cars.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Spot on.  Sleeping/napping/resting your eyes/any sort of other excuse
>>>> for
>>>> > sleeping at noisebridge, means you should leave and come back the
>>>> following
>>>> > tuesday.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ah, I see. To clarify, it's my view that sleeping at Noisebridge or
>>>> using
>>>> >> the space as a crashpad for a few hours is a problem whether or not
>>>> you're a
>>>> >> person who works on projects all the time and doesn't cause
>>>> problems. If you
>>>> >> feel yourself getting tired, you should make plans for getting home
>>>> before
>>>> >> you conk out.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:37 AM, spinach williams
>>>> >> <spinach.williams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Dec 11, 2013 9:57 AM, "Al Sweigart" <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> > Spinach, I agree. But in practice, people who are members and
>>>> associate
>>>> >>> > members also crash at the space. :/
>>>> >>> oh, i know. you can't exactly preempt their sleeping, though.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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