[Noisebridge-discuss] Feminist Book Club For Men: tomorrow 7pm was: The Nuclear Option

Snail snailtsunami at gmail.com
Wed Jan 15 07:56:09 UTC 2014


So, you think he's doing a poor job of it and want to volunteer to run the
book club discussion yourself? Or do you have another nominee in mind?


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Lee Sonko <lee at lee.org> wrote:

> Hannah writes:
> -------- Original Message -------------
> I think you need to back off here.  Replying to a thread about something
> awesome and very much needed at Noisebridge to dredge up a personal
> grievance you have with an individual is an obvious and deliberate attempt
> to stir up drama and to drag the feminist book club down with it.  That is
> not cool.  The way you describe your interactions with Tom (calling &
> emailing him repeatedly, despite him making it clear that he doesn't want
> to speak with you) is a set of behavior that frankly would incredibly freak
> me out if you were doing it to me.  If feminism is "the belief that men and
> women should have equal rights and opportunities" then I hope you don't do
> this to ladies because I'd be seriously threatened by this kind of behavior.
> -------- End of Original Message ------
>
> Tom changed my rights on the wiki and then refused to discuss the matter,
> or any matter, repeatedly. That was my first and only interaction with him
> despite me trying nicely to resolve the situation. I am receiving a clear
> signal that he is not a good communicator.  That directly relates to him
> organizing a feminist book club; I suppose it actually only relates to him
> facilitating a discussion, not organizing, but the two tasks often go
> hand-in-hand. If he is petty and non-communicative with me, a virtual
> stranger, I don't believe he would make a good leader for a book club
> founded on discussing the sometimes strained communication between people
> of different genders. Hence my comments.
>
> >calling & emailing him repeatedly, despite him making it clear that he
> doesn't want to speak with you)  is a set of behavior that frankly
> >would incredibly freak me out if you were doing it to me
>
> Please reread my original email, that is not what I wrote, nor is that
> what happened. He used his powerful rights on the wiki against my account
> and then (as now) refuses to communicate about the exercise of those
> rights. The issue has, sadly, never been resolved because Tom continues
> to not communicate with me. He told me to stop calling on the phone so I
> stopped. He hasn't responded to any of my emails except those I've CCed to
> the list. So that's how I communicate with him. I'm playing a game of his
> making. I remain open to discussion and resolution. Tom seems to remain
> closed. That seems like a poor choice for an organizer and perhaps
> facilitator of a feminist book club for men.
>
> I hope that the feminist book club for men meeting went well. Did it?
>
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Lee,
>> I think you need to back off here.  Replying to a thread about something
>> awesome and very much needed at Noisebridge to dredge up a personal
>> grievance you have with an individual is an obvious and deliberate attempt
>> to stir up drama and to drag the feminist book club down with it.  That is
>> not cool.  The way you describe your interactions with Tom (calling &
>> emailing him repeatedly, despite him making it clear that he doesn't want
>> to speak with you) is a set of behavior that frankly would incredibly freak
>> me out if you were doing it to me.  If feminism is "the belief that men
>> and women should have equal rights and opportunities" then I hope you don't
>> do this to ladies because I'd be seriously threatened by this kind of
>> behavior.
>>
>> Hannah
>>
>>
>>  On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:23 AM, jarrod hicks <hicksu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Organizing an event at Noisebridge does not require that the organizer
>>> be the best person for the job (far from it), only that the person be
>>> willing to do the work necessary to make the event/class/meeting
>>> happen; 'and proud we are of all of them'. Even if in this case by
>>> "not the best" you may actually mean "I think you are possibly the
>>> worst", events/classes/meetings are educational for their facilitator
>>> as well and so not being good at something is still a great
>>> prerequisite for organizing getting together with others to learn.
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