[Noisebridge-discuss] Trimmed off the board list

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Thu Mar 27 17:02:13 UTC 2014

Spinach: I know about coded language and microaggressions women get all the
time, especially in the tech industry and geek circles. I think the crap
treatment women in tech get is bullshit, and the constant apologetics for
misogyny is also bullshit. I check my privilege, and when I get called out
on a remark that someone tells me is sexist I introspect instead of getting

On that note: I've looked over my emails in this thread, but can't find the
"using coded language, repeatedly" that you say I use. Can you point it out
to me so that I don't repeat that mistake in the future? I purposefully
avoid the words "crazy", "irrational", and (lord almighty this one pisses
me off) "hysterical" to describe women. I think they're too encumbered by
their use as coded language for sexism.

Spinach, can I convince you that I very much support women in tech and am
against the behaviors you describe?


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:44 AM, spinach williams <
spinach.williams at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:39:57 PM Ceren Ercen wrote:
> > Nah. As another woman in tech, and as one who works in a half-israeli,
> very
> > often unintentionally sexist company, I watch closely for that sort of
> > coded language, and weigh my responses on a daily basis.
> >
> > IMO, Al hasn't been using anything I'm willing to consider him hinting at
> > cliche female irrationality, instead of irrational Noisebridge politics
> and
> > policies.
> >
> > You do really have to make some allowances and considerations for how one
> > is ever supposed to criticize a irrational oppositional arguments as
> such,
> > without only hearing gendered bias. Measure out some possibility of such,
> > and your successful alerts about  coded sexist language will hit more
> > deeply, I find.
> noted. i don't agree.
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