[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge House Rules

Jessica Ross jessica.r.ross at gmail.com
Wed Mar 19 19:10:08 UTC 2014


Hey, for fun, could someone transcribe Kevin's comments so they can be read
here for proof it's not just obstruction?


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> And yet another meeting goes by where the measure is blocked. I'll repeat
> myself:
>
> "The thing that gets me is that he doesn't even have to publicly defend
> his unpopular view in order to get his way. All he has to do is keep
> saying "there needs to more discussion" week after week until the issue
> fades into the background once more."
>
> Kevin, I agree that polarization, accusation, and hyperbole are not
> effective. Obstruction and attrition, however, have proven very effective.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Kevin <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> On March 19, 2014 11:07:24 AM PDT, Jessica Ross <jessica.r.ross at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Why can't you guys rebut this with "It's against the terms of the
>> > lease and
>> > could get us evicted"?
>> >
>> > It's BS that you're even still debating this!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Kevin is against banning sleeping at the space because he and his
>> > friends
>> > > like to sleep at the space. He helped build the "hacker stacker"
>> > bunk beds
>> > > that were in the space which, unsurprisingly, were used for more
>> > than just
>> > > short naps in the space.
>> > >
>> > > Kevin will single-handedly block any measure to ban sleeping without
>> > > compromise, because consensus lets him do this. He is against any
>> > actual
>> > > punitive consequences because he knows that even if people are woken
>> > up and
>> > > told not to sleep at the space, they can just do so again the next
>> > night
>> > > (or just later that same morning).
>> > >
>> > > Hey, if the majority of Noisebridge members said they were fine with
>> > > people sleeping at the space, I would back down on my stance.
>> > Whereas Kevin
>> > > will barge in on a meeting an hour late and then get his way.
>> > >
>> > > The thing that gets me is that he doesn't even have to publicly
>> > defend his
>> > > unpopular view in order to get his way. (Note that he didn't mention
>> > > sleeping at all in his email on this thread, even though that's the
>> > > elephant in the room.) All he has to do is keep saying "there needs
>> > to more
>> > > discussion" week after week until the issue fades into the
>> > background once
>> > > more.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Kevin Schiesser <bfb at riseup.net>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Brandon Edens:
>> > >> > Hi all,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > The consensus of Noisebridge is that we have some house rules.
>> > You can
>> > >> read
>> > >> > about them here...
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://github.com/noisebridge/bureaucracy/blob/master/rules/house-rules.md
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Enjoy!
>> > >> > Brandon
>> > >> >
>> > >> > _______________________________________________
>> > >> > Noisebridge-discuss mailing list
>> > >> > Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> > >> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> I barged into the open meeting an hour late tonight and rejected
>> > the
>> > >> civility of passing this proposal, given I had aired unaddressed
>> > >> concerns. Discussion on the proposal was reopened, hence
>> > Noisebridge has
>> > >> not come to consensus on 'house rules'.
>> > >>
>> > >> I will be preparing an alternative draft. If anyone wants to
>> > >> collaborate, contact me via email or let's work though github.
>> > >>
>> > >> Generally, I favor 'community agreements'. I oppose punitive
>> > measures,
>> > >> and do not believe punitive measure will positively transform
>> > Noisebridge.
>> > >>
>> > >> If agreements are to be codified, we should start with the most
>> > >> abundantly clear agreements... We agree not to attempt to repair
>> > the
>> > >> elevator, not to go on the roof (unless maintenancing an antenna),
>> > not
>> > >> to go in the basement, not to go on the fire escape, not to live at
>> > >> Noisebridge. We also agree that projects kept on the hacker shelves
>> > in
>> > >> the SW corner of the space or kept in personal lockers belong to
>> > >> participants in the community and are not for general purpose
>> > hacking.
>> > >> <Add your own agreement>.
>> > >>
>> > >> -Kevin
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
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>> > >> Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> > >> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
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>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jessica R. Ross
>> > jessica.r.ross at gmail.com
>>
>> I'm very open to collaborating on a revised Draft of this document.
>>  Please read the meeting notes or try to understand what I wrote before
>> jumping in with critique. Polarization, accusation, and hyperbole are not
>> effective.
>>
>> For context...
>>
>> At every prior meeting I said that I had concerns with the house rules
>> proposal. Often, the agenda was too full of bannings to have substantive
>> discussion of my concerns. I was shocked to arrive late and hear consensus
>> was reached without having had opportunity for discussion. The group agreed
>> I was previously misunderstood, the proposal is not urgent, and that more
>> discussion is needed.
>>
>> Hence more discussion and reaching out to the community.
>>
>>
>


-- 
Jessica R. Ross
jessica.r.ross at gmail.com
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