[Noisebridge-discuss] Problem: people seeing NB as a backup shelter

[Joe Black]

I wouldn’t consider myself in any way to be conflict avoidant. I’ve been coming here for 2-3 years on and off and been around for many times someone was waked and asked to leave however. The process is an extremely stressful one that’s mentally draining, similar to trying to rationalize with an irrational person. In fact many times they end up winning out after the person asking them to leave has been worn down during the process. I don’t know about other people but I don’t blame anyone who’s working on something important in which focus is crucial and ruined for a decent period of time by such an encounter. I’m much more a fan of prevention.

joeblack


On Sunday, May 11, 2014 at 2:15 PM, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:

> Good user design practice accommodates the shortcomings of the users, and the people being conflict-avoidant is a fact that must be incorporated into our system design, even if that conflict-avoidance is a state we are actively working to change.
> On May 11, 2014 7:40 AM, "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <jeffreyatw at gmail.com (mailto:jeffreyatw at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > Yes, I fully admit my weakness and the irony of discussing a solution right next to people breaking the rules. Like seemingly most people in the space, I have no spine and am more interested in discussing preventative measures than actually waking people up one-by-one. Kudos to those who routinely do the latter.
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> > Spinach, do you ever ask people to wake up or leave the space? Just trying to determine if I'm being criticized by someone who is more assertive than me or not.  
> > Jeffrey
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> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:33 AM, spinach williams <spinach.williams at gmail.com (mailto:spinach.williams at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > >  
> > > On May 11, 2014 7:07 AM, "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <jeffreyatw at gmail.com (mailto:jeffreyatw at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Once members-only hours are reinstated, there's nothing that's stopping associate and full members from exercising their power to remove non-members from the space, just like they should have been doing the last time this was attempted, and should he doing now with the "unvouched". But an actual computer-controlled change in how the space operates would help to reinforce that these rules are officially in effect.
> > > isn't the space currently 24/7 members only? that power you talk about, you could've exercized. why didn't you? that's the part of the whole system that needs examining, fancy locks be damned.
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