[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017

Thu Oct 12 20:03:02 UTC 2017

With regards to the elevator fund, I think $400 is too low and don't see
any need to put a cap on expenses within reasonable expense.  As I
mentioned in a previous email I don't support paying individuals for work
except if mandated to do so by the state.

Trent

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

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> +1
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> On 10/12/2017 07:06 PM, Trent Robbins wrote:
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> I feel that paying people for work they do on Noisebridge infrastructure
> runs counter to what Noisebridge is.
>
> I wanted to write something complex but this webpage has a far better
> collection of thoughts than I could come up with on my own:
> https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy
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> Trent
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> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> X-post from #finance-wg on Slack:
>>
>> I would support spending a certain amount of money for parts for the
>> elevator, but share others' concerns about anyone getting paid for their
>> time from the Noisebridge bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in
>> addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances, cleaning trash, running
>> the access control and server systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous
>> people, etc. We can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to keep
>> the space running. Legally it's the landlord's responsibility to keep the
>> elevator working, but they've done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY
>> fixes will be faster. Even though we're spending money on a building we
>> don't own, it's worth it to make the space accessible. As for a separate
>> elevator fund, I think it would be best if there was a separate fundraising
>> push or donation to make it happen, which was the case with the broadcast
>> fund and equipment fund, but if it's less than $400 per year for parts I
>> don't think spending from the general f
>>  und is a big deal.
>>
>> Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should necessarily be a cap
>> on our budget for parts for the elevator, if it needs more than that. And I
>> would encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into whether we can
>> legally pay a licensed professional to fix the elevator and deduct the cost
>> from our rent to the landlord.
>>
>> I also think it would be excellent for people to donate money to Zach
>> through PayPal for his work on the elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds.
>> I donated what I could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm all
>> for people being paid for their work, but know that Noisebridge itself
>> can't afford to pay for all the critical work that has to be done to keep
>> the space operating.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <organicunity at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation Naomi.
>> >
>> > Here is a follow-up email as requested.  I brought this item up as a
>> "small-c" item 2 weeks ago at the Noisebridge meeting.  I was told if
>> nothing was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a formal consensus
>> item.  So here it is. The proposed consensus item is as follows:
>> >
>> > I request that we establish an Elevator Repair Fund at Noisebridge.
>> This fund could be as modest or ambitious as people like, but I believe a
>> minimum of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to benefit the space.
>> >
>> > The elevator is necessary for those that use Noisebridge with mobility
>> aids (such as wheelchairs), for people with non-visible disabilities
>> (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.), for incoming large furniture and
>> donations, and for taking out the regular trash.
>> >
>> > As many know, the elevator was broken for a full 2 months recently.
>> Unlike broken tools or equipment, this made the space completely
>> inaccessible for members in the community.  I think it would be most
>> excellent to prevent this in the future by establishing a modest fund
>> whereby we could hire people, obtain necessary parts and supplies, and keep
>> this "must need" basic access to the space.
>> >
>> > Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to be fully safe and
>> operational.  There is machine work to fix the broken front gate, a missing
>> call light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch detection issues,
>> and other things all documented on the elevator wiki.
>> >
>> > Looking forward to hearing input from the community.  Hopefully we can
>> all agree that this would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.
>> > .
>> > -Zach
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: noisebridge-discuss-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net [
>> noisebridge-discuss-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net] on behalf of Naomi
>> Most [pnaomi at gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM
>> > To: Noisebridge Discuss
>> > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017
>> >
>> > Greetings, NB(D),
>> >
>> > A meeting occurred!
>> >
>> > Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item from Zach concerning the
>> idea of setting up an officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.
>> >
>> > The argument revolves around the idea that the Elevator is a "must
>> have" whereas stuff in the general equipment fund usually falls into the
>> category of "it would be cool if".
>> >
>> > Zach should post a followup to this email to make his proposal more
>> concrete.
>> >
>> > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10
>> >
>> >
>> > TLDR what happened at the meeting:
>> >
>> > *   Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct 18th (every 1st and 3rd
>> Wednesday). Cryptobuilders workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.
>> > *   Finances: ???
>> > *   New members: nope but we should contact Merlin and let her know
>> she's at 4 weeks!
>> > *   New philanthropists: nope
>> > *   Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund
>> > *   Discussion Items: people lost interest and went to the Internet
>> Archive at this point.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Naomi Theora Most
>> > naomi at nthmost.com<mailto:naomi at nthmost.com>
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