[tor] First Library to Support Anonymous Internet Browsing Effort Stops After DHS Email
robb
sf99er at gmail.com
Sun Sep 13 05:48:35 UTC 2015
--There's a written story on the wiki about FBI showing up one day asking
questions, but I wasn't around so I don't know if that's more myth or
fact.--
i remember them showing up...i was there. it was a woman & a man. i avoided
interfacing w/them but it's a true story.
~r
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> 1. First Library to Support Anonymous Internet Browsing Effort
> Stops After DHS Email (robb)
> 2. Re: First Library to Support Anonymous Internet Browsing
> Effort Stops After DHS Email (William Budington)
> 3. Re: First Library to Support Anonymous Internet Browsing
> Effort Stops After DHS Email (aestetix)
> 4. Re: First Library to Support Anonymous Internet Browsing
> Effort Stops After DHS Email (Patrick O'Doherty)
> 5. Re: First Library to Support Anonymous Internet Browsing
> Effort Stops After DHS Email (aestetix)
> 6. Re: First Library to Support Anonymous Internet Browsing
> Effort Stops After DHS Email (Patrick O'Doherty)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 17:25:01 +0000
> From: robb <sf99er at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [tor] First Library to Support Anonymous Internet Browsing
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> A library in a small New Hampshire town started to help Internet users
> around the world surf anonymously using Tor. Until the Department of
> Homeland Security raised a red flag.
>
>
> https://www.propublica.org/article/library-support-anonymous-internet-browsing-effort-stops-after-dhs-email
>
> i don't normally makes spammy posts but thought this might be relevant.
>
> they can be contacted via http://www.leblibrary.com/node/65 if you wish to
> share your thoughts.
> cheers
> ~r
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> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 12:13:46 -0700
> From: William Budington <bill at inputoutput.io>
> To: robb <sf99er at gmail.com>
> Cc: tor at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [tor] First Library to Support Anonymous Internet
> Browsing Effort Stops After DHS Email
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> So they are going to have a town meeting on whether or not to reinstate
> the exit node in the near future. Perhaps we can actually get in contact
> with them and weigh in here as long-term exit node operators who have also
> had visits from the feds, we can give them some meaningful input. Like how
> often this happens, what to do when it happens, reasons why exit nodes are
> so important despite the attention they garnet from law enforcement, etc.
> It may make a difference when it comes time for that meeting.
>
> Bill
>
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 17:25:01 +0000, robb wrote:
> > A library in a small New Hampshire town started to help Internet users
> > around the world surf anonymously using Tor. Until the Department of
> > Homeland Security raised a red flag.
> >
> >
> https://www.propublica.org/article/library-support-anonymous-internet-browsing-effort-stops-after-dhs-email
> >
> > i don't normally makes spammy posts but thought this might be relevant.
> >
> > they can be contacted via http://www.leblibrary.com/node/65 if you wish
> to
> > share your thoughts.
> > cheers
> > ~r
>
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> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 00:14:30 +0200
> From: aestetix <aestetix at gmail.com>
> To: William Budington <bill at inputoutput.io>, robb <sf99er at gmail.com>
> Cc: tor at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [tor] First Library to Support Anonymous Internet
> Browsing Effort Stops After DHS Email
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> I agree with this 100%. Half the point of creating Noisetor was to
> educate people and teach that you don't need to be afraid of setting up
> exit nodes (that are configured properly). I imagine they would also
> feel at ease to learn that at least one legal nonprofit in the US has
> sponsored a Tor node.
>
> Given that this is the last line of the article, I'm sure knowing they
> are part of a bigger community would help:
>
> ?There are other libraries that I?ve heard that are interested in
> participating but nobody else wanted to be first,? he said. ?We?re
> lonesome right now.?
>
> One thing that comes to mind: the people who set it up might not be
> technical, and they might not realize there are ways to set these nodes
> up that protect you against these kinds of visits.
>
> On 9/11/15 9:13 PM, William Budington wrote:
> > So they are going to have a town meeting on whether or not to reinstate
> the exit node in the near future. Perhaps we can actually get in contact
> with them and weigh in here as long-term exit node operators who have also
> had visits from the feds, we can give them some meaningful input. Like how
> often this happens, what to do when it happens, reasons why exit nodes are
> so important despite the attention they garnet from law enforcement, etc.
> It may make a difference when it comes time for that meeting.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 17:25:01 +0000, robb wrote:
> >> A library in a small New Hampshire town started to help Internet users
> >> around the world surf anonymously using Tor. Until the Department of
> >> Homeland Security raised a red flag.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.propublica.org/article/library-support-anonymous-internet-browsing-effort-stops-after-dhs-email
> >>
> >> i don't normally makes spammy posts but thought this might be relevant.
> >>
> >> they can be contacted via http://www.leblibrary.com/node/65 if you
> wish to
> >> share your thoughts.
> >> cheers
> >> ~r
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> >> tor at lists.noisebridge.net
> >> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/tor
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> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:26:05 +0000
> From: Patrick O'Doherty <p at trickod.com>
> To: tor at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [tor] First Library to Support Anonymous Internet
> Browsing Effort Stops After DHS Email
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> Apart from the subpoena we were served recently (identical to the
> BoingBoing situation), how much interest has Noisetor gotten from law
> enforcement over the years?
>
> There's a written story on the wiki about FBI showing up one day asking
> questions, but I wasn't around so I don't know if that's more myth or fact.
>
> +1 to sending advice / support as an organisation that's been doing this
> for a while. What other organisations outside of BoingBoing could we
> reach out to to gather support?
>
> p
>
> William Budington:
> > So they are going to have a town meeting on whether or not to reinstate
> the exit node in the near future. Perhaps we can actually get in contact
> with them and weigh in here as long-term exit node operators who have also
> had visits from the feds, we can give them some meaningful input. Like how
> often this happens, what to do when it happens, reasons why exit nodes are
> so important despite the attention they garnet from law enforcement, etc.
> It may make a difference when it comes time for that meeting.
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 00:28:51 +0200
> From: aestetix <aestetix at gmail.com>
> To: Patrick O'Doherty <p at trickod.com>, tor at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [tor] First Library to Support Anonymous Internet
> Browsing Effort Stops After DHS Email
> Message-ID: <55F355A3.3060803 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> I know there was at least one incident where the Secret Service showed
> up (I can't remember when). IIRC Shannon handled it, politely explained
> to the agent what our setup was, and that we had no logs to turn over.
>
> There are probably more incidents, but I haven't kept track. Is this
> documented on Noisetor.net anywhere? And if not, could it be? :)
>
> On 9/12/15 12:26 AM, Patrick O'Doherty wrote:
> > Apart from the subpoena we were served recently (identical to the
> > BoingBoing situation), how much interest has Noisetor gotten from law
> > enforcement over the years?
> >
> > There's a written story on the wiki about FBI showing up one day asking
> > questions, but I wasn't around so I don't know if that's more myth or
> fact.
> >
> > +1 to sending advice / support as an organisation that's been doing this
> > for a while. What other organisations outside of BoingBoing could we
> > reach out to to gather support?
> >
> > p
> >
> > William Budington:
> >> So they are going to have a town meeting on whether or not to reinstate
> the exit node in the near future. Perhaps we can actually get in contact
> with them and weigh in here as long-term exit node operators who have also
> had visits from the feds, we can give them some meaningful input. Like how
> often this happens, what to do when it happens, reasons why exit nodes are
> so important despite the attention they garnet from law enforcement, etc.
> It may make a difference when it comes time for that meeting.
> > _______________________________________________
> > tor mailing list
> > tor at lists.noisebridge.net
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/tor
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:36:17 +0000
> From: Patrick O'Doherty <p at trickod.com>
> To: aestetix <aestetix at gmail.com>, tor at lists.noisebridge.net
> Subject: Re: [tor] First Library to Support Anonymous Internet
> Browsing Effort Stops After DHS Email
> Message-ID: <55F35761.9050704 at trickod.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> I don't think it's currently recorded, outside of the emails to the list
> when things like this happen.
>
> I'm all in favour of there being a public log of inquiries like this.
>
> aestetix:
> > I know there was at least one incident where the Secret Service showed
> > up (I can't remember when). IIRC Shannon handled it, politely explained
> > to the agent what our setup was, and that we had no logs to turn over.
> >
> > There are probably more incidents, but I haven't kept track. Is this
> > documented on Noisetor.net anywhere? And if not, could it be? :)
> >
> > On 9/12/15 12:26 AM, Patrick O'Doherty wrote:
> >> Apart from the subpoena we were served recently (identical to the
> >> BoingBoing situation), how much interest has Noisetor gotten from law
> >> enforcement over the years?
> >>
> >> There's a written story on the wiki about FBI showing up one day asking
> >> questions, but I wasn't around so I don't know if that's more myth or
> fact.
> >>
> >> +1 to sending advice / support as an organisation that's been doing this
> >> for a while. What other organisations outside of BoingBoing could we
> >> reach out to to gather support?
> >>
> >> p
> >>
> >> William Budington:
> >>> So they are going to have a town meeting on whether or not to
> reinstate the exit node in the near future. Perhaps we can actually get in
> contact with them and weigh in here as long-term exit node operators who
> have also had visits from the feds, we can give them some meaningful
> input. Like how often this happens, what to do when it happens, reasons
> why exit nodes are so important despite the attention they garnet from law
> enforcement, etc. It may make a difference when it comes time for that
> meeting.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> tor mailing list
> >> tor at lists.noisebridge.net
> >> https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/tor
> >
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