[Darkroom] Darkroom calendar and updates

Kelly hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
Wed Apr 18 18:54:32 UTC 2012

I guess same question to you Celeste. Who else is keeping personal
supplies in the darkroom? It's been over 6 months since the last time
I organized it, but last I checked there were no personal supplies.

I'm disappointed to hear that no one else told you that keeping a
filing cabinet of personal supplies in the darkroom might bother
people. That seems pretty obvious to me. Did you mean you discussed
this with RAYC (Robert)? He's constantly going off about open-sourcing
the kitchen. And Rubin should really know better on this one too.

Sorry if I came across as threatening. I can see where you're coming
from, and your good intentions were also clear. I was (am) just really
furious, and mostly at the community for not raising a flag about
this, which is why I asked how much interaction you've had with the
larger community. Word of mouth is a pretty spotty way to spread
cultural norms, so these things happen sometimes. It's just
frustrating after years to have to keep coming to the conclusion that
even with good faith all around (arguably the only thing the one rule
requires) we can't have any expectations about the way the space will
be treated.

If you have a member shelf already I think it would be great if you
could move your stuff there. Do you have enough space? I can make some
space on my shelf for a while if you need a waystation. The darkroom
is really crowded, although I think your new table is definitely an
improvement in our use of the space.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 05:01, Celeste Lindahl
<celeste.lindahl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Kelly,
> It's unfortunate that you chose an unfriendly way to communicate with me
> first when the intention behind everything done in the space and my message
> was obviously to help the darkroom and the community. I don't particularly
> appreciate threat-like messages from strangers either. While it's
> understandable you can feel protective towards a space you have invested
> time and effort towards, please take a moment to review your message next
> time.
> I have actually worked at Noisebridge outside the darkroom before, and have
> several friends who have been members for a long time. I also spent the time
> speaking with many people in the space about the darkroom (including Rubin
> and Robert) and what would be a good way to approach the changes, the
> policies, and what has been done in the past before making any changes. It's
> also unfortunate that I didn't meet you on any of my visits.
> There is nothing in the space right now that I am keeping that is not equal
> to what any other members are keeping (chemicals, paper, film). Everything
> else is open to anyone to use for the darkroom. I'm not sure why you found
> this something to be addressed solely with me. I do actually have a member
> shelf too. While cleaning up the space, we did see many bins with personal
> things that are being stored there. If you'd like to go through them with
> everyone using the space, I would love to meet with you and work together on
> organizing it too. I would however, find it hostile if my things were moved
> out of the space solely out of spite, when it's clear that numerous members
> are keeping the same items in it.
> Let me know when you think you'll be there next. I will definitely come
> through this afternoon (Wednesday) and probably tomorrow afternoon too.
> C
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
>> Hash: SHA1
>> Kelly wrote, On 2012-04-18 01:21:
>> > This one somehow slipped by me. Please don't store your personal
>> > supplies in the darkroom. Get a member shelf. If your stuff isn't
>> > moved next time I come to the space (next week?) I'm going to move
>> > it.
>> A bunch of us have been keeping personal photo project like items in
>> the darkroom for a while now (years). We have the space for it, it's
>> useful to keep them in there. I don't see it as a problem just as long
>> as thing that seem to be taken as communal are left there with that
>> expectancy, and names/contact info is attached. Already talked to
>> Celeste about such things and also plastering her name on anything she
>> doesn't want others to use.
>> - --
>> Rubin
>> rubin at starset.net
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