[Noisebridge-discuss] A potential space - the No Starch Press building (and how we can handle voting)

ryan ryan at linefeed.org
Thu Jan 17 21:01:23 UTC 2008


>  You do have an opportunity to address what was said. It could have just 
> been said privately, behind your back. I think it is good that it is out in 
> the open.

Al, I have already addressed what was said. To recap, what Marc says
isn't true. I work on a daily basis as a core organizer with IMC's in
Istanbul, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Santiago de Chile, Rosario
(Argentina), Berlin, Puerto Rico, Bogota, South Africa, Houston, Lima,
Rome, Milan, West Vlaanderen, Rio de Janeiro, of course, San
Francisco (this list keeps going) as well as a number of projects that
are critical to core Indymedia infrastructure. Because of my
extensive involvement and Marc's limited (if any) involvement in
Indymedia, he doesn't make these attacks in Indymedia and instead
brings them to forums like this.

What I'm saying is well-documented and transparent and available for
anyone who wants to look into it. What more 'evidence' could anyone 
here within noisebridge possibly ask for from me? It's absurd that 
noisebridge be formally asked not to trust me because of something 
within Indymedia, while Indymedia trusts me on a daily basis to 
handle root access, money and administration of all of the above. 
This is why I rely on people's common sense to deal with a situation 
like this. I've already said all this one time, in another e-mail.

Marc's motivation is to embarrass and humiliate and intimidate me in
front of a group of people who I don't know and am trying to form
working relationships with. I think that should be obvious to anyone
and all the evidence available to noisebridge people affirms what I'm 
saying. 

> So what do you suggest? We have an accusation of abuse of privileges in the 
> past. You didn't really address that and this isn't some sort of star 
> chamber where you are required to do so. That being true, it has still been 

The way a disruptor like this would be handled by other organizations
I participate in is what I have already said. The person who is
relentlessly making personal attacks out of nowhere against another
person should be told that it's inappropriate and they should stop
doing it. 

Once the group has enough traction to have a decision-making process
and actually has to deal with issues like signing documents or
putting in money, then this matter could be dealt with fairly and
within the group's agreed-upon process. 

Until then, Marc is intentionally putting everyone in an awkward and
horrible position. Again, I think this is obvious to anyone and he
should stop it. 

Furthermore, since this level of acrimony was brought into this group
solely by Marc, having meetings at his house seem inappropriate. I
certainly wouldn't feel comfortable going there after being publicly
attacked like this and I think that's understandable.

Finally, I think that going on about this on the mailing list or irc 
isn't productive and is certainly wasting my time. Internet flamewars
like this are something I gave up a long time ago. 

> doesn't qualify or help that process. Nor does having your girlfriend do a 
> virtual stamping of the feet about how wronged you are.

Toya and I are married, she's not "my girlfriend" nor do I "have her
do" anything -- she's an individual unto herself and does what she
wants and says what she thinks. 
-ryan




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