[Noisebridge-discuss] A potential space - the No Starch Press building (and how we can handle voting)

[Marc Powell]

ryan, my motivation is not to attack you, please stop attacking me in your
emails- it is only driving more people away from this mailing list. let's
chill.

i am not relentlessly making personal attacks. it seems like you and toya
are.

i have a concern about you being responsible for internet access for a
hacker collective- replying to your post about taking the lead on dealing
with monkeybrains for net access.

what i said is true. i had to help enemy combatant radio get their domain
back from you, and you did lock out indymedia people from their servers,
and you did sniff my irc when you had root access on irc.indymedia.org.
what i'm saying is well-documented as well.

this trust issue with you was important enough to the 2007 hackmeet team
to be discussed on their mailing list as well- which also resulted in
personal attack email from you, calling the party in question a federal
agent. please calm down and stop attacking me.

i think the right way to address this concern is by you not being
responsible for internet access for the group, so that you can't hijack it
like you have the san francisco indepdenent media center- problem
solved, awareness of trust issue achieved. other than that, i'm down with
collaborating with you and look forward to it. let's end this discussion
now please!

i would appreciate it if you'd stop calling me names and insinuating that
i am attacking, stalking you, and involving you in drama. calm down.

if there was perceived acrimony on my side, i apologize, i was trying
to bring up this trust issue. but i don't think that warrants you
and toya attacking me so vividly in the subsequent emails, and then
blaming me for the flamewar tone. chill, hombre!

-marc

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, ryan wrote:

> >  You do have an opportunity to address what was said. It could have just
> > been said privately, behind your back. I think it is good that it is out in
> > the open.
>
> Al, I have already addressed what was said. To recap, what Marc says
> isn't true. I work on a daily basis as a core organizer with IMC's in
> Istanbul, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Santiago de Chile, Rosario
> (Argentina), Berlin, Puerto Rico, Bogota, South Africa, Houston, Lima,
> Rome, Milan, West Vlaanderen, Rio de Janeiro, of course, San
> Francisco (this list keeps going) as well as a number of projects that
> are critical to core Indymedia infrastructure. Because of my
> extensive involvement and Marc's limited (if any) involvement in
> Indymedia, he doesn't make these attacks in Indymedia and instead
> brings them to forums like this.
>
> What I'm saying is well-documented and transparent and available for
> anyone who wants to look into it. What more 'evidence' could anyone
> here within noisebridge possibly ask for from me? It's absurd that
> noisebridge be formally asked not to trust me because of something
> within Indymedia, while Indymedia trusts me on a daily basis to
> handle root access, money and administration of all of the above.
> This is why I rely on people's common sense to deal with a situation
> like this. I've already said all this one time, in another e-mail.
>
> Marc's motivation is to embarrass and humiliate and intimidate me in
> front of a group of people who I don't know and am trying to form
> working relationships with. I think that should be obvious to anyone
> and all the evidence available to noisebridge people affirms what I'm
> saying.
>
> > So what do you suggest? We have an accusation of abuse of privileges in the
> > past. You didn't really address that and this isn't some sort of star
> > chamber where you are required to do so. That being true, it has still been
>
> The way a disruptor like this would be handled by other organizations
> I participate in is what I have already said. The person who is
> relentlessly making personal attacks out of nowhere against another
> person should be told that it's inappropriate and they should stop
> doing it.
>
> Once the group has enough traction to have a decision-making process
> and actually has to deal with issues like signing documents or
> putting in money, then this matter could be dealt with fairly and
> within the group's agreed-upon process.
>
> Until then, Marc is intentionally putting everyone in an awkward and
> horrible position. Again, I think this is obvious to anyone and he
> should stop it.
>
> Furthermore, since this level of acrimony was brought into this group
> solely by Marc, having meetings at his house seem inappropriate. I
> certainly wouldn't feel comfortable going there after being publicly
> attacked like this and I think that's understandable.
>
> Finally, I think that going on about this on the mailing list or irc
> isn't productive and is certainly wasting my time. Internet flamewars
> like this are something I gave up a long time ago.
>
> > doesn't qualify or help that process. Nor does having your girlfriend do a
> > virtual stamping of the feet about how wronged you are.
>
> Toya and I are married, she's not "my girlfriend" nor do I "have her
> do" anything -- she's an individual unto herself and does what she
> wants and says what she thinks.
> -ryan
>
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