[Noisebridge-discuss] A potential space - the No Starch Press building (and how we can handle voting)

[Mark Cohen]

Frankly, this sort of thing saddens me. Public fecal aeration is never  
fun. (Unless you're into that sort of thing)

I would like to hope that all involved with NoiseBridge are honest  
folks interested in the betterment of the hacking society in the San  
Francisco Bay Area. That said, I propose to let this issue rest and  
work on the building of our group.

If we register as a non-profit or a LLC or whatever, no one individual  
needs to have any "control" over anything. This is IMHO how it should  
be.

Lets all re-center ourselves on the greater goal here and move forward.

Just my .02c

-MarkC


On Jan 17, 2008, at 1:01 PM, ryan wrote:

>> You do have an opportunity to address what was said. It could have  
>> just
>> been said privately, behind your back. I think it is good that it  
>> is out in
>> the open.
>
> Al, I have already addressed what was said. To recap, what Marc says
> isn't true. I work on a daily basis as a core organizer with IMC's in
> Istanbul, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Santiago de Chile, Rosario
> (Argentina), Berlin, Puerto Rico, Bogota, South Africa, Houston, Lima,
> Rome, Milan, West Vlaanderen, Rio de Janeiro, of course, San
> Francisco (this list keeps going) as well as a number of projects that
> are critical to core Indymedia infrastructure. Because of my
> extensive involvement and Marc's limited (if any) involvement in
> Indymedia, he doesn't make these attacks in Indymedia and instead
> brings them to forums like this.
>
> What I'm saying is well-documented and transparent and available for
> anyone who wants to look into it. What more 'evidence' could anyone
> here within noisebridge possibly ask for from me? It's absurd that
> noisebridge be formally asked not to trust me because of something
> within Indymedia, while Indymedia trusts me on a daily basis to
> handle root access, money and administration of all of the above.
> This is why I rely on people's common sense to deal with a situation
> like this. I've already said all this one time, in another e-mail.
>
> Marc's motivation is to embarrass and humiliate and intimidate me in
> front of a group of people who I don't know and am trying to form
> working relationships with. I think that should be obvious to anyone
> and all the evidence available to noisebridge people affirms what I'm
> saying.
>
>> So what do you suggest? We have an accusation of abuse of  
>> privileges in the
>> past. You didn't really address that and this isn't some sort of star
>> chamber where you are required to do so. That being true, it has  
>> still been
>
> The way a disruptor like this would be handled by other organizations
> I participate in is what I have already said. The person who is
> relentlessly making personal attacks out of nowhere against another
> person should be told that it's inappropriate and they should stop
> doing it.
>
> Once the group has enough traction to have a decision-making process
> and actually has to deal with issues like signing documents or
> putting in money, then this matter could be dealt with fairly and
> within the group's agreed-upon process.
>
> Until then, Marc is intentionally putting everyone in an awkward and
> horrible position. Again, I think this is obvious to anyone and he
> should stop it.
>
> Furthermore, since this level of acrimony was brought into this group
> solely by Marc, having meetings at his house seem inappropriate. I
> certainly wouldn't feel comfortable going there after being publicly
> attacked like this and I think that's understandable.
>
> Finally, I think that going on about this on the mailing list or irc
> isn't productive and is certainly wasting my time. Internet flamewars
> like this are something I gave up a long time ago.
>
>> doesn't qualify or help that process. Nor does having your  
>> girlfriend do a
>> virtual stamping of the feet about how wronged you are.
>
> Toya and I are married, she's not "my girlfriend" nor do I "have her
> do" anything -- she's an individual unto herself and does what she
> wants and says what she thinks.
> -ryan
>
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