[Noisebridge-discuss] key access for non-signers

[Paul Böhm]

just to share our experiences:

we've got like 50 people having keys now (at 130+ members), we started
with about 15 keys on the day after we signed the lease

no problems two and a half years in, not a single one.

i say: fix the incorporation problem and hand out the keys.
(personally i'd even hand them out now, if i was on the lease)

paul

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Noah Balmer <noahbalmer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jonas, I hope Sydney is treating you well.
>
> I think this are all good ideas, key-wise.  I know a few people have
> expressed a desire to make anonymous electronic keys with no logging, but
> personally I like your proposal better.
>
> Distance often gives a calmer perspective.  I appreciate hearing your views
> from afar.
>
> -N
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Jonas S Karlsson <jsk at yesco.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm very happy with all the progress that is happening. I'm in envy
>> here in Sydney.
>>
>> I'd say to all, don't let this deter building a great space.
>>
>> below is a distant proposal, as I'm not physically there, I don't
>> think I have any say in the matter, but these are my thoughts.
>>
>> I think for now, and future it makes sense to have a electronic key
>> system, so that invidiual people's keys (or all) can be revoked
>> and then later reset in person. I'm also for logging who's been in the
>> space in terms of personal logins. Maybe even a public log
>> on the website to see who's in the space, depends on if people are
>> comfortable with it. If not, it may encourage people to turn up!
>>
>> I don't think many people, or maybe not even the whole board needs to
>> have PERMANENT keys to the space. That is
>> the issue I see as being the most problematic. So I totally agree on
>> not creating physical permanent copies to all,
>> I totally support that.
>>
>> For now, I'd expect the phone numbers of all key holder to be
>> published, and that they make an effort to be there and open/close up
>> if
>> work needs to be done. Maybe even take turns on a schedule to say when
>> somebody will be there, wikipage or whatever. They may designate other
>> people to hold their key if they personally trust that person, and
>> that person will then be "personally responsible". This would seem
>> workable for me meanwhile until we're incorporated and have member
>> access keycode system.
>>
>> Other solutions would be to have a way to close the door temporary
>> with another lock, but this all is probably just a temporary issue, in
>> my mind.
>>
>> Regarding reacting to things said in email-list assume that you'll get
>> misunderstood :-( and that you'll misunderstand anything you read.
>> ;-)
>> React only when you directly can talk to the person in question,
>> ignore the rest. I think most people only believe and form an opinion
>> about what you say directly, third++ hand information is just unreliable.
>>
>> all the best from warm Sydney,
>>
>>    hip hip hurra to all of you!
>>
>> /Jonas
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I don't have a suggestion about this one.  I admit I'm hoping that we'll
>> > get
>> > incorporated TOMORROW and the problem goes away.  It also appears that
>> > progress is being made on the electronic card access project.
>> >
>> > Can people wait for keys a couple more days?  Is this just Jake and me
>> > butting heads on behalf of nobody?  What do you all think?
>> >
>> > Rachel
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