[Noisebridge-discuss] Re: Club Mate shipment

Thu Apr 30 08:38:39 UTC 2009

I'm not familiar with US Customs and food/beverages.  Would there be a wait
in US Customs?

John Menerick

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Joachim Pedersen <joachimp at gmail.com>wrote:

> a preface, I've spent several months working in various distribution
> warehouses in Denmark. Though I'm no expert by any means,  I have
> dealt with receiving/unloading/loading domestic/international
> container shipments.
>
> Some info on pallets:
> A standard Euro Pallet is 800x1200mm
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallet#European_pallets
>
> And shipping containers:
> a 20 foot container "TEU" fits about 11 standard europallets
> a 40 foot container "FEU" fits about 23-24 ----||------
> http://www.oocl.com/eng/ourservices/containers/stuffingplan.htm
>
> It would be good to know if these are full height pallets, or half
> height. I'm assuming full height. Sometime dense/unstable things, like
> bottles of liquid, are palletized at half height. This makes the
> warehouse operation less prone to *accidents.*  These can sometimes be
> double stacked once loaded into the container. See toppled full height
> pallet of shot glasses that I had to clean(not fun, not my fault) up
> last summer:
> http://joachimp.fotki.com/aboutme/phoneimages/20080703001.html
> http://joachimp.fotki.com/aboutme/phoneimages/20080703.html
> http://joachimp.fotki.com/aboutme/phoneimages/20080703002.html
>
> I figure at 20 bottles per carton * 40 cartons per pallet is 800
> bottles of CM per pallet.
> And which gives 8,800 bottles per TEU, or 18,400-19,200FEU. Double
> that if the pallets can be double stacked(ie. if they are half
> height). As said before, weight shouldn't be an issue
>
> Anyways, I'm getting at, is a conservative estimate of shipping per
> bottle is more like 33cents. And we most definately don't want to get
> more than will fit in the container.
>
> Oh, and if we really want to get this in time for Toorcamp we should
> get moving on this ASAP
>  http://www.searates.com/container/transit/
> *Estimates* 26 days on the high seas for Hamburg to Oakland with Hamburg
> SUD.
>
>
>
> -Joachim
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:54, Jeffrey Malone <ieatlint at tehinterweb.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm rather interested in all this myself, and would love to see it go
> down...
> > So, to confirm the totals, if 11200 bottles were purchased, it would
> > cost an estimated €5936 ($7876) and then an estimated $2900 to ship,
> > plus cost of getting it from the bottler to the shipping docks in
> > Bremerhaven.
> > Not including the truck to the docks, that'd be just shy of $1/bottle
> ($0.96).
> >
> > So I have two questions...
> >
> > First, I notice on the pricing of the actual bottles that a bottle
> > deposit is being charged.  As the bottles are explicitly for export
> > outside of Germany, is that really required? (€1680 bottle deposit for
> > 11200 bottles is quite a surcharge!)
> > Furthermore, does that price include VAT -- which I am quite sure
> > should be waved for the export out of the EU...
> >
> > Secondly, who is fronting the money for this?  I'm sure you could
> > charge $2 a bottle to people out here without them being at all upset
> > (hell, a ~.5l bottle of coke at the liquor store costs that much
> > almost), so it's undoubtedly a safe investment, but I'm curious if
> > you're asking for people to step up and help out, or if you've got the
> > financial backing and just want to keep us informed.
> >
> >
> > Jeffrey
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Ralf-Philipp Weinmann
> > <crypto.rpw at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi David, dear Noisebridgers,
> >>
> >> a) there are two types of ISO 668 freight containers: the so-called
> >> TEU (twenty feet equivalent unit) and the FEU (forty feet equivalent
> >> unit) variant. The TEU variant measures 20ft x 8ft x 8.5ft (L x W x H)
> >> and may load up to 21.75 tons, the FEU variant is twice as long and
> >> may load up to 26.7 tons. A problem is that the container height is
> >> not standardized, sometimes it can be as low as 1.3m, the maximum is
> >> 2.6m.
> >>
> >> b) one bottle of Club Mate (there are two variants, the 0.5l bottle
> >> and the 0.33l bottle, I'll be assuming the larger variant for the
> >> moment) weighs approximately 904 grams. Thus far I was not able to
> >> convince Loscher to fill the Mate into lighter PET bottles.
> >>
> >> c) I have not actually seen the pallets, but the dimension of a pallet
> >> should be approximately the same as for a crate of Club Mate. This is
> >> 40cm x 30cm x 30cm.
> >>
> >> c) Let's assume an overhead of 25kg per pallet.
> >>
> >> Assuming the above, we are more constrained by volume than by the
> >> weight if the container is half-height and the other way round if we
> >> have 2.6m height in the container. We can pack 14-16 pallets per TEU
> >> if we assume half-height and at most 28 if it is full height (because
> >> of weight). This also means that going FEU is pointless.
> >>
> >> Hence a TEU will fit at least 11200 bottles but may hold up to 22400
> >> if we're lucky. I reckon 11k bottles should be more than enough for
> >> the first run, though. Assuming the fixed cost of USD 2900 we're
> >> getting a fixed-cost transportation overhead of USD 0.29 per bottle if
> >> we fill the container with 14 pallets.
> >>
> >> Thoughts, orders?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> RPW
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ralf-Philipp Weinmann
> >> CryptoLUX / Laboratory of Algorithmics and Computer Security, FSTC
> >> University of Luxembourg
> >> phone: +352-466645654
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