[Noisebridge-discuss] Date/location for fundraiser

[Jonathan Foote]

Seems that we could make a good argument that we are a "club."

>From  http://www.abc.ca.gov/forms/abc616.pdf  via
http://www.abc.ca.gov/permits/permits.html :

"CLUB - Authorizes the sale of beer, wine and distilled spirits, to
members and guests only, for consumption on the premises where sold.
No off-sale privileges. Food service is not required. Minors are
allowed on the premises."

(I was looking for the loophole that allows wine/beer at art openings,
but found the above.)



On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Christie Dudley<longobord at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's exactly this sentiment I'm trying to address by bringing up the
> dilemma.  Even if it's not significant "work" going on or learning
> experiences occurring, I think we all know from our youths that it's a
> frustration to be excluded from events when everyone else is going.
>
> The way I see it is we stand very little chance of making much money
> if we don't sell alcohol in a space such as Cellspace.  I'd love to
> see someone put together numbers that would prove me wrong.  If we
> can't come ahead, then I see no reason to do this.  So the question
> remains...  Do we do this at all and exclude people or just skip it
> and move on?
>
>
> Rubin may be able to come up with a better answer once he hears back
> from the Entertainment Commission.  I suppose we could go that route
> if it sounds reasonable.  We could put that DJ booth to good purpose,
> then move all our stuff in later.
>
> Christie
>
> ---
> Pigs can fly given sufficient thrust.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Seth David Schoen<schoen at loyalty.org> wrote:
>> Christie Dudley writes:
>>
>>> When talking to the cell space folks about the all ages vs. alcohol,
>>> we will need to choose.  We either don't serve alcohol or don't let
>>> people under 21 in.  If we don't serve alcohol, then that's a
>>> significant amount of revenue we pass up.  The bulk of the money made
>>> at every fund raiser I've been a part of that actually came ahead
>>> involved alcohol sales.  I'm going to continue to discuss this with
>>> them, but I'm not hopeful.
>>
>> I brought this up at the meeting on Tuesday in connection with the
>> sponsorship of LoveTech, but most people on the mailing list weren't at
>> that meeting, so I should probably mention this concern here.  I think
>> it sends a bad message for Noisebridge to organize or sponsor events
>> that have age restrictions.  Almost everyone in our community got
>> interested in that community and started trying to participate in it
>> as a young person.  We might have gone to DEF CON or a hacker camp
>> as a teenager, or attended trade shows or technical conferences or
>> university lectures.  Almost all of us encountered one or another kind
>> of discrimination or resistance or exclusion because of our age.  Many
>> people, like Jon Johansen and Aaron Swartz, did significant things
>> before reaching college age (or legal majority).
>>
>> As we passed magic legal thresholds, those concerns may have become
>> less concrete to us as individuals (although I think I remember that
>> we inducted one Noisebridge member who was then under 21 and couldn't
>> legally buy alcohol in California, and I imagine we will induct more).
>> But we can do the right thing by the next generation of hackers by
>> doing our best not to exclude them from our events because of their
>> age.
>>
>> --
>> Seth David Schoen <schoen at loyalty.org> | Qué empresa fácil no pensar en
>>     http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/   | un tigre, reflexioné.
>>     http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/     |            -- Borges, El Zahir
>>
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