[Noisebridge-discuss] [drama] Re: Noisebridge has a (potentially) newcommunication medium: The Noisebridge ning network!

[Noise Bridge]

yeah you're right with the whole sales pitch thing. though i have to say i
think that part of the point was to kinda 'sell' the idea of a new medium to
the community. i think at some level all ideas need to be 'sold' to an
audience in one way or another. it just seems like there has been no attempt
at growth past the current mailing list and IRC channel to provide a place
for easier communication between the hardcore's and the laymen. i just
wanted to step forth, make the network, and step back and allow people to
use it. maybe i should have gone about it more casually. i donno.

i see your point about taking the initiative in adding content instead of
just the initiative to make the site in the first place. i guess i had hoped
people wouldn't be so cynical and that i would be able to start contributing
later after people had started to get into it a little.

with that i've added something i've been thinking about for a while and i'd
love anyones input on it. i'd also love if you at least tried to discuss it
on the actual site:

http://noisebridge.ning.com/forum/topics/nb-laser-beacon

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Ani Niow <v at oneletterwonder.com> wrote:

> This is really getting out of hand. It seems like many non-issues that I've
> seen crop up on this mailing list (of which this is certainly one of them)
> is a result of geeks failing to communicate properly on what they want to
> get done.
>
> To NB Ning person, I genuinely don't care who you are and I'm pretty sure
> you're not a viral marketer for reasons mentioned above as well as chats
> I've had with others privately. I support your anonymity and your
> participation in do-ocracy with creating this platform for us to use.
>
> However, the methods of which you have gone about doing so are the reasons
> why people here are objecting to it. Your original post does have the same
> qualities a sales pitch would and as much as we as a group like to say we
> support anonymity here, in reality people involved in NB have had more
> success with pseudo anonymity than full on given the type of social
> structure we have created.
>
> If you wanted people to start using this service than give us a reason to
> directly participate vs telling us why this is a better place for some
> things. Link to a thread about a project there, create an event that people
> have to sign up and comment on, give us a direct reason to click on a link
> you have provided rather than tell us this is awesome and we should use it.
>
> Its existence will be determined by participation, if no one uses it than
> it will go away and people will forget about it. If people do have a use for
> it then they will sign up and start becoming involved and it will serve a
> purpose. Its that simple.
>
> To others, I'm a bit disappointed that so much vilification and baseless
> assumptions have permeated this thread that should have been a simple "oh
> that looks neat, maybe I'll start using it" or "I have no use for this and
> I'll keep doing what I'm doing" from the participants. Making a non-issue
> into a long thread is a nasty habit we seem to have here and I'm hoping to
> help break people of this. For all we like to go on about being a do-ocracy
> we seem to have no trouble trying to pick apart something someone has
> actually done for us.
>
> In summary, don't like it? Don't bloody use it. The "I don't like it so no
> one else should use it" is not an attitude that is very productive in the
> kind of environment we have created here. If some people find a use for this
> then be excellent to them and let them use it. No one is forcing you to sign
> up, its not like it is the only way to communicate with people involved here
> at Noisebridge.
>
> So please, don't sign up if you don't like it but also don't try to stop
> anyone else from doing so or vilifying others that see a use in this.
>
> Thanks and be excellent all,
>
>
> -Ani
>
>
>
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