[Noisebridge-discuss] 2169 Mission status

aestetix aestetix aestetix at gmail.com
Mon Jul 20 22:05:55 UTC 2009


Matt,

You raise some very valid concerns.

Perhaps the best way to address this is to list out each of your concerns so
they can be addressed individually. This will also tend some transparency to
the process, and help others to better understand where you are coming from,
and help us all work together.

aestetix

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  I also have concerns about budget.  At the moment we do not have enough
> money in the bank to go forward with a move to 2169 Mission that includes
> the required build-up.  We will need to do some fund-raising.  How much
> fund-raising depends on a budget.  If a few people can get together and
> create a realistic (as best as possible) budget, then we can raise the
> required funds.
>
>
> At the moment we have $21,000 in the bank.
>
>
> Any fund-raising will need to keep in mind that we need to have 3 months of
> operating expenses in the bank.  Currently (at 83C Wiese, with $1975/mo
> rent) our operating expenses have averaged $3900/month.
>
>
> Mitch.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------
>
> > From: matt at peterson.org
> > To: adi at hexapodia.org
> > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:41:07 -0700
> > CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] 2169 Mission status
>
> >
> > Ok, my big concern is the budget. I hate to come across as the party
> > pooper here. It's well known that house remodels and upgrades run
> > over budget, particularly for newbies in this realm - I could only
> > imagine commercial refurbs requiring even more knowledge. Do we have
> > members or friends with intimate knowledge of the permitting process,
> > contractor negotiation, parts sourcing, etc (ideally ones willing to
> > step up and lead this)? Sai had valid points in this realm at the
> > last meeting, however the overall excitement overruled him repeatedly
> > from diving into this.
> >
> > I plan to block unless a detailed budget is published and agreed
> > upon. Our treasurer should be presenting data that shows our /
> > existing/ membership base allows us to afford this space for some time
> > PLUS additional surplus from the recent fundraising round. Let's get
> > actual quotes from contractors. Hand waving and "just trust us" isn't
> > going to fly.
> >
> > In terms of the funds earmarked for the new space, to what extent do
> > we limit purchases and upgrades? I see the most critical items being:
> > bathroom(s)/shower, electrical, walls, kitchen and other common shared
> > infrastructure. These are meant to meet ADA, building code
> > worthiness, general safety and comfort requirements. What happens
> > when funds are spent, on say on a meat-only storage freezer, color
> > photo processing equipment or an industrial CNC machines (all
> > hypothetical examples) - yielding gear that isn't "new space"
> > specific; are funders Ok with these type of purchases?
> >
> > Again, not trying to come off as the nay-sayer here but we're flying
> > blind from what I can gather currently. I'm very excited about the
> > new space itself, the breathing room we'll have and fun network
> > upgrades that will follow. Let's just be up front and realistic about
> > the costs.
> >
> > --Matt
> >
> > On Jul 19, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Andy Isaacson wrote:
> > >
> > > The landlords apparently aren't interested in doing any work up-front,
> > > so we'd be doing any work on our own dime and on our own time. We
> > > requested that they replace the smaller (front) bathroom with a larger
> > > bathroom (leaving the current rear bathroom in its current state) and
> > > they declined.
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