[Noisebridge-discuss] noise at noisebridge

[Paul Böhm]

aw, lets just kill the thread now. i think progress was made by having
had people irl and irc starting to discuss what bothers them.

onwards

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Ani Niow <avniow at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to agree with Quinn. While the original premise I believe is valid
> since I've experienced people as Paul is describing and are bothered by it
> as well, this thread is going in a different direction than that.
>
> -Ani
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Quinn Norton <quinn at quinnnorton.com> wrote:
>>
>> this thread is getting very hackier than thou, which i find dissapointing
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, peter wrote:
>>
>> > Re: Josh's comment.
>> >
>> > Thank you for reminding us all that this is meant to be a space
>> > specifically for hacking projects. While I am not a great offender on
>> > this front, I, at times, find myself treating noisebridge as a hangout
>> > space. We can all hang out anywhere! Let's try to keep a space
>> > dedicated to hacking for hacking.
>> >
>> > Which is not to say that there is no place for socializing at
>> > noisebridge, but srsly, let's try to focus on hacking at the hacking
>> > space, shall we :)
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Peter
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Paul Böhm <paul at boehm.org> wrote:
>> > > Well,
>> > >
>> > > personally i've managed to tell people clearly i don't want to listen
>> > > to their bullshit - and that works.
>> > > having to overhear nonsense is hard, but headphones work.
>> > >
>> > > however i'm worried that if we have too much nonsense-talking people
>> > > here, then
>> > > only people with a very high tolerance for nonsense and bullshit will
>> > > stick around.
>> > >
>> > > this is especially true since the people i'm thinking about, almost
>> > > hunt after newcomers, who are too polite to verbalize that after 15
>> > > minutes of nonsense they are feeling really uncomfortable.
>> > >
>> > > paul
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Josh Myer <josh at joshisanerd.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 06:54:36PM -0800, Paul Böhm wrote:
>> > >>> ok, my brain is about to explode - there's people here at nb who
>> > >>> constantly babble nonsense because they are attention starved
>> > >>> this alienates newcomers (since they haven't learned to ignore these
>> > >>> people yet) and makes me want to avoid noisebridge
>> > >>>
>> > >>> opinions on this?
>> > >>
>> > >> I totally agree with the frustration, and feel it acutely.  As for
>> > >> fixes: Wear headphones?  Set expectations that you're not someone
>> > >> who's going to just listen?  These two strategies have served me well
>> > >> thus far...  Then again, I'm pretty comfortable with being a jerk.
>> > >>
>> > >> In the same vein, we have a lot of people who think of noisebridge as
>> > >> a place to hang out, not a place to come and hack.  It's frustrating
>> > >> many of us, especially because we haven't found a good way to say
>> > >> "It's awesome that you're here, and we'd love to help you work on
>> > >> stuff.  What do you want to work on, and how can our community help
>> > >> you accomplish that?"  It's sort of insidious: there's nobody who is
>> > >> clearly abusing the space, it's just that people's behaviors are
>> > >> shifting the way people use the space.  noisebridge is inadvertantly
>> > >> becoming a place to come and surf youtube in the evening instead of a
>> > >> place to hang out with others who are soldering, coding, or sewing.
>> > >>
>> > >> Personally, I only come in to work/collaborate on specific things.
>> > >> It's kind of a bummer, but it's not so bad.  I wind up being a
>> > >> floating question-answerer (or, at least, reference-pointer-outer)
>> > >> anyway, so I get sucked into interesting things beyond my little
>> > >> focus.  If I was less flexible or pragmatic about how I used my time
>> > >> in the space, though, this would be incredibly frustrating.
>> > >>
>> > >> I think the general problem of people-who-are-distracting is solved
>> > >> with a single question: how do we integrate people into our do-acracy
>> > >> and minimize idle hands at 83c?
>> > >> --
>> > >> Josh Myer   650.248.3796
>> > >>  josh at joshisanerd.com
>> > >>
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