[Noisebridge-discuss] Consensus and the "old ways".

[Shannon Lee]

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to deny that there are issues to talk
out; however, the "OMG Noisebridge meetings are so bad!" argument doesn't
hold water.
Maybe six months ago, there were a series of meetings where everything went
haywire.  At the time, some of us made a very serious effort to fix those
problems.  Structural and cultural changes were made; and we haven't had
these kinds of haywire, out of control meetings for a while.

I suspect that the upcoming meetings could revert to type, looking at the
agenda, but I could be wrong about that too.

Others, at the time, stopped showing up out of frustration.  I can
understand that, it was pretty frustrating; however, just imagine how
frustrating it is to those of us who've been working on it this whole time,
to hear six-month-old criticism.

--S

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Paul Boehm <paul at boehm.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
> > I get the strong impression that the people who are in favor of a voting
> > scheme mostly want to have a say in the decision making process, but
> don't
> > want to be actually engaged to the extent that you have to be in order to
> > participate in our current process.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias
>
> i've spent the last 6 years working on hackerspaces, started the
> hackerspaces.org website and community, and helped quite a bit with
> noisebridge's beginnings. after moving here i attended most meetings.
> i think i have good credentials to show that i have genuine interest
> in participating in such processes. i'm a bit too busy with work now,
> and wouldn't be able to attend right now, but i got tired of
> noisebridge's consensus process way before. 've talked to quite a few
> other people who spend less or no time at noisebridge meetings
> anymore, not because of their personal life, but because they were
> unwilling to participate in a very badly functioning decision making
> process.
>
> if you say the people complaining are not there a lot, you've just
> fallen prey to a survivorship/selection bias fallacy. a lot of people
> with dissenting opinions are not there /anymore/.
>
> enki
>



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Shannon Lee
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