[Noisebridge-discuss] how to deal with abandoned beverage containers

[jim]

   thanks for the reply. i think we should put some more 
effort into systems to make cleaning easier, but not a 
lot more--there's a reasonable limit that we haven't yet 
reached. 
   as to the drink disposal container experiment, i 
think it's a right move and wasn't much work to do. 
refuse categories seem to be 
* partially full beverage containers 
* food and compostables 
* recyclables 
* black-bin garbage 
   seems worth making sure we have simple systems in 
place for those categories and don't get more fine-
grained. 
   we should improve our cleaning systems, too: keep 
'em few and simple--brooms and vacuums, mops and 
buckets, rags and soaps and sponges, all in some 
designated place. 
   tools and resources in their places. 
   to-hack stuff in its place and regular weeding to 
recategorize as e-waste. 
   finance. 

   the above seems close to the whole list of stuff to 
manage so our hacker space works. 



On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 14:39 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> 
> jim wrote:
> > 
> > i disagree. 
> 
> and i would defend your right to disagree!
> 
> > 
> >    the idea is to make it simple for people to clean 
> > up. there's a problem with cups, cans, and bottles 
> > that have liquids in them: disposing of them requires 
> > a walk to a sink 
> 
> true, in general, but there is a sink easily accessible in the large 
> room. if the sink required a walk down the stairs, perhaps that would be 
> different.
> 
> to me it's not black-and-white. it's all a matter of degree. hence the 
> friendly reminders, and not being shot on first transgression. if i saw 
> christie looking for her drink, i might politely say "i think you left 
> it over there, where we were discussing the thrust necessary to put a 
> pig into orbit..."
> 
> i think you having to think about, acquire, and bring in the containers 
> is an effort that must be weighed relative to the effort needed to avoid 
>   it in the first place.
> 
> 
> >    make it easy to clean and more people will do it. 
> > 
> 
> 
> very true. but there is a limit. you know it won't end with the messy 
> cups and burritos. do you want to spend all your time setting up systems 
> to make it easy for people to clean up? do you think there is an end to 
> this? the answer is no. at some point you have to put some of the 
> responsibility back in the hands of those responsible. and by my 
> measure, that point (in this particular topic) has been arrived at and 
> passed.
> 
> YMMV
>