[Noisebridge-discuss] how to deal with abandoned beverage containers

[Michael Shiloh]

and thanks for your reply.

seems a good compromise and balance of effort vs. ease of cleaning.

i'm happy.

m

jim wrote:
>    thanks for the reply. i think we should put some more 
> effort into systems to make cleaning easier, but not a 
> lot more--there's a reasonable limit that we haven't yet 
> reached. 
>    as to the drink disposal container experiment, i 
> think it's a right move and wasn't much work to do. 
> refuse categories seem to be 
> * partially full beverage containers 
> * food and compostables 
> * recyclables 
> * black-bin garbage 
>    seems worth making sure we have simple systems in 
> place for those categories and don't get more fine-
> grained. 
>    we should improve our cleaning systems, too: keep 
> 'em few and simple--brooms and vacuums, mops and 
> buckets, rags and soaps and sponges, all in some 
> designated place. 
>    tools and resources in their places. 
>    to-hack stuff in its place and regular weeding to 
> recategorize as e-waste. 
>    finance. 
> 
>    the above seems close to the whole list of stuff to 
> manage so our hacker space works. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 14:39 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> jim wrote:
>>> i disagree. 
>> and i would defend your right to disagree!
>>
>>>    the idea is to make it simple for people to clean 
>>> up. there's a problem with cups, cans, and bottles 
>>> that have liquids in them: disposing of them requires 
>>> a walk to a sink 
>> true, in general, but there is a sink easily accessible in the large 
>> room. if the sink required a walk down the stairs, perhaps that would be 
>> different.
>>
>> to me it's not black-and-white. it's all a matter of degree. hence the 
>> friendly reminders, and not being shot on first transgression. if i saw 
>> christie looking for her drink, i might politely say "i think you left 
>> it over there, where we were discussing the thrust necessary to put a 
>> pig into orbit..."
>>
>> i think you having to think about, acquire, and bring in the containers 
>> is an effort that must be weighed relative to the effort needed to avoid 
>>   it in the first place.
>>
>>
>>>    make it easy to clean and more people will do it. 
>>>
>>
>> very true. but there is a limit. you know it won't end with the messy 
>> cups and burritos. do you want to spend all your time setting up systems 
>> to make it easy for people to clean up? do you think there is an end to 
>> this? the answer is no. at some point you have to put some of the 
>> responsibility back in the hands of those responsible. and by my 
>> measure, that point (in this particular topic) has been arrived at and 
>> passed.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
> 
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