[Noisebridge-discuss] I am really disappointed with certain members of noisebridge

[Crutcher Dunnavant]

Ian, you're being an ass.

No matter how much you "appreciate" Leif coming forward, you walked into
this with the threat of Legal Action for something that was obviously not a
DDOS attack.

If you can't tell the difference between this and malicious intent, maybe
you shouldn't work with computers.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Ian <ian at slumbrparty.com> wrote:

> Leif,
>
> Thanks for coming forward to say this. You are right in that it is
> possible to do the aforementioned curl voting anonymously. We made a
> design decision to allow anonymous voting to lower the barrier for
> participation. We have fraud detection counter measures to take care
> of those situations. You did not cause any damage, but we were more
> concerned with the intent. It was unclear to us whether it was people
> playing around or someone with malicious intent. if it was not the
> latter, then we are okay with people exploring the system.
>
> I really appreciate you talking about this on the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ian
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> > Ian,
> >
> > First and foremost, I offer you my sincere apology and my promise that I
> > personally will not (mis)use your company's service again.
> >
> > I was the one who pointed out last night that people could run
> > curl -d to=3 http://some-uservoice-url/votes
> > to vote for something, and that without cookies, they could keep voting.
> >
> > I would characterize this as harmless ballot-stuffing, rather than a
> DDOS,
> > but I understand that if it got out of hand it could certainly have the
> > effect of a DOS. I am very glad to hear it didn't take the site down.
> Taking
> > the site down was certainly nobody's intent; the intent was simply to get
> a
> > lot of votes on a single item, to demonstrate why voting on things with a
> > tool like this doesn't make any sense for a group like ours.
> >
> > I personally only sent a few hundred http requests, and in light of your
> > company's stated interest in legal action (which I think is entirely
> > unwarranted given that the whole thing was apparently a few thousand http
> > requests from a single location) I will not help determine who else sent
> > more. Obviously, like most things at noisebridge, this was in no way an
> > action of the organization and was only the action of a few individuals.
> >
> > I regret the strife that this caused you, and hope you can accept my
> > apology.
> >
> > ~leif
> >
> > Ian wrote:
> >>
> >> last night, there was an attempted DDOS on the noisebridge forum from
> >> 75.101.62.89 and 75.101.62.88. yes. those are both noisebridge IPs.
> >> they submitted around 35,000 votes to the forum and could have taken
> >> the entire uservoice site down.
> >>
> >> i have no problem with people voicing their concerns on the mailing
> >> list, but to do something destructive and illegal using noisebridge
> >> equipment against a company that one of its members works for simply
> >> because you didnt agree with its usage is beyond pathetic. rubin, for
> >> future reference, even though you may not mean anything destructive or
> >> personal with your "abrasive" (as you put it in your personal apology
> >> to me) comments on the list, other, weaker people on the list who are
> >> followers will take them in a different way.
> >>
> >> i tried to not censor anyone on the feedback forum and accommodate
> >> everyone and tried to play the role of strictly the forum admin. one
> >> of our staff deleted the suggestion about trying to get root on our
> >> site because, well, they simply viewed it as a threat against
> >> uservoice. i assured them finding security flaws was legitimate and
> >> will even benefit us. then they pointed to the suggestions about
> >> disparaging uservoice and my comment facilitating that. then again i
> >> reassured them i was only being the site administrator and that we
> >> shouldnt censor people who use our product even if their suggestions
> >> could hurt our business. the bottom line is i put my neck out to try
> >> to provide noisebridge with something that i thought would be useful
> >> and this is the thanks i get.
> >>
> >> aside from my current situation with the company, uservoice is talking
> >> about taking legal action against noisebridge for the DDOS attack. i
> >> have begged them to allow me to solve this without legal intervention.
> >> i ask that the people who were responsible name themselves and
> >> separate them from the rest of noisebridge. if you identify yourself,
> >> explain and apologize for your actions, i think i can convince the
> >> rest of uservoice to move past this.
> >>
> >> ian
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Crutcher Dunnavant <crutcher at gmail.com>
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