[Noisebridge-discuss] I am really disappointed with certain members of noisebridge

[David Stainton]

Greetings,

I am having trouble understanding Christopher Nielsen's statements
such as:

"Your professional opinion is wrong."

I got a lot of respect for Crutcher and I think his professional opinion
is to be respected. If you are going to discredit his statements
then you must give solid qualifications to your arguments, sir.

Christopher, what do you even do that makes you so much smarter
than Crutcher? Your answer better be good.... Perhaps you are simply
a better programmer and thus are able to understand reality better
than he. Could you please enlighten us to this higher reality?

"If you do not have permission, it is an attack."

There Nginx loadbalancer was for a time, proxying HTTP requests from
the Noisebridge network. If that ain't permission then what is?
Making a HTTP request many times does not violate "permissions".

I do agree Crutcher has an unfriendly tone...
But that's part of his charm. So get over it.


~david


On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Crutcher Dunnavant <crutcher at gmail.com> wrote:
> 'The Law' doesn't see anything at all. It is a collection of rules,
> precedents, and procedures which must be selectively enforced, because full
> enforcement is not only impossible, but would be universally decried as
> abusive.
>
> 'Law Enforcement' represents a collection of individuals and organizations,
> each with their own de jure and de facto rules, precedents, and procedures.
> Abuse, or 'permission' for that matter, depend largely on who is asked to
> investigate, and on the expert witnesses they invoke. While it is certainly
> possible to bring the law into this matter, I believe, as a citizen and a
> programmer that it would be an abuse of the legal system.
> So, to clear things up here:
> * threatening people with frivolous prosecution => OK!
> * pointing out that that's a dick move => RUDE!
> Yeah, I'm so terribly terribly sorry for that. In fact, I'm SHOCKED!
> Shocked, I tell you.
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Nielsen <m4dh4tt3r at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 15:37, Crutcher Dunnavant <crutcher at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I program for a living. I am saying that, in my professional opinion,
>> > there
>> > was no 'misconduct' or 'attack', and begining with fire and brimstone
>> > seemed
>> > reminiscent of other such threats made in the space lately.
>> > Internet ballot stuffing is normal, it is not an attack. It has been
>> > normal
>> > for as long as there have been online ballots. AT MOST a poll is being
>> > abused in a silly manner, but that is a technical problem with the poll
>> > software
>>
>> Your professional opinion is wrong. Law enforcement and the law see
>> things very differently. If you do not have permission, it is an
>> attack. It is why it is so important when doing pen-testing to have an
>> air-tight contract with whomever you are contracting those services.
>>
>> Also, I agree with Jason. You're abusive tone is not warranted.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Nielsen
>> "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary
>> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin
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