[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping at NB

[Dr. Jesus]

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:18 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
<rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that at the meeting about sleeping in the space, we
> discussed missing BART as not being a very excellent reason to crash, since
> there are all-night buses and lots of other options.
>
> I am also pretty sure that without some kind of concerted effort to pay
> attention to who is sleeping, there is no real way to know if they are
> people who just need a place to sleep (who could be redirected to resources
> that exist for that purpose) or people who are interested in noisebridge as
> a place to accomplish shit, who might happen to be taking part in a
> not-totally excellent activity. I would put email flaming nastiness in this
> same category, ie things that I occasionally tolerate without judgement from
> people who have otherwise redeeming qualities.
>
> Without this effort taking place in person it will have little effect.
> Without it taking place electronically it will have little momentum.  Both
> are, to me, clearly necessary.
>
> I will repeat what is starting to be my (other, safety being the first)
> noisebridge refrain: rather than commenting negatively on what has been
> done, I would like to discuss positively what could be done.
>
> Jake, I have been in and out of the space for 6+ months and haven't met you
> there yet. Someone mentioned to me that you might live in seattle? If you
> haven't been around a lot lately then maybe you aren't aware of the extent
> of the problem.  I have done lots of harm reduction and have friends who are
> homeless and/or computer illiterate.  This is not about those things.  It is
> a heated discussion but at heart I believe it is about the same thing last
> night's meeting was about: a desire on many people's part to help steer our
> crazy ship constantly hackwards and anti-slackwards.
>
> Some vaguely metaphorical things I thought worth saying to all:
> -sometimes projects (indeed, and life) take longer than expected or leave a
> mess.
> -sometimes we all forget something.
> -the only way for the mess to be held at bay is if we all help each other
> clean it up.
> -you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Vinegar might seem to punish
> those pesky flies but if your goal is to influence behavior the reward is
> proven to be more effective than punishment.
>
> Sooooo,
> IF we believe that passing out in a public location should be
> non-photographable in our community, let's brainstorm some other ways to
> have an online component to our Campaign Against Sleep.

The last time it came up I collected the helpful links people posted
to city services here:

  https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Starving_hackers