[Noisebridge-discuss] Science for Juggalos

Thu Jun 3 22:49:07 UTC 2010

DPW Order 165,716. I contacted the sf department of public works
before starting this project, they told me the following:

Thanks for your e-mail; this would most likely require a Temporary
occupancy Permit at $55.30/day + a $4.50 surcharge.

Our basic guidelines, since this would involve a booth set-up on the
sidewalk and as I understand it, open to the general public, it would
need to be both accessible to the disabled and blind, as well as
providing a minimum 6' clear path of travel to pedestrians.

Attached for your information are copies of our Application and
general guidelines for a Temporary Occupancy Permit; upon review of
this information, if you have any further questions, please do not
hesitate to contact me via e-mail or by phone at (415) 554-6199.
Please be advised that we will also require the submittal of a
Certificate of Insurance per the attached sample.

Regards,

Nick Elsner
Senior Plan Checker
DPW-BSM

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Hephaestus

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Ever Falling <everfalling at gmail.com> wrote:
> could you please provide the source of these requirements?
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net> wrote:
>>
>> To set up a table requires a $60 temporary occupancy permit from the
>> DPW, $1,000,000 of liability insurance, and permission from the owners
>> of any businesses to which it would be adjacent. If we don't set up a
>> table, we can do it for free with less liability, and more police
>> protection, as it can be presented as a 'protest'.
>>
>> --
>> Hephaestus
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Ever Falling <everfalling at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > is there a reason why a table can't be set up? as long as we're not
>> > selling
>> > anything and we're not blocking foot traffic i don't see the problem.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:03 PM, doctor popular <yoyogenius at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> One other note from the meeting that I think is worth mentioning is
>> >> that all signs and displays have to be held by the volunteers. So that
>> >> means that no tables or self supporting displays.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > There was a meeting, it went well, and the discussion in the space
>> >> > picked up a few people who hadn't already heard about the Science
>> >> > Fair. The general consensus was that we don't necessarily want to
>> >> > antagonize the juggalos, as this will give them even more reason to
>> >> > hate rational thought, we just want to try to educate them.
>> >> >
>> >> > It was brought up that ICP has since stated that they understand the
>> >> > things from the song are not 'miracles' in the definitive sense, but
>> >> > are just wondrous things to observe, so any argument that "the
>> >> > pyramids aren't miracles" would be counterproductive, and instead we
>> >> > should focus on topics like "here's how the pyramids were built,
>> >> > isn't
>> >> > engineering awesome?" We have scientists for at least the following:
>> >> >
>> >> > Fire
>> >> > Magnets
>> >> > Rainbows
>> >> > Cognitive Dissonance
>> >> > The Genetics of Long Necked Giraffes
>> >> >
>> >> > and we have more people interested who haven't yet called dibs on a
>> >> > subject.
>> >> >
>> >> > We're going to show up Saturday at 4pm to make our science fair
>> >> > posters and prepare, then leave around 5:30 to get on BART and head
>> >> > down to the Warfield until it gets boring/dangerous, and then head
>> >> > back to NB to get drunk, post the videos to youtube, and revel in our
>> >> > success.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Hephaestus
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Ever Falling <everfalling at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> wasn't there a meeting tonight? how'd that go? are details gonna be
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> wiki or are they already?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Corey McGuire
>> >> >> <coreyfro at coreyfro.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This is exactly why I don't debate anyone studied enough to be
>> >> >>> adept
>> >> >>> at
>> >> >>> debating, yet incapable of doing the basic research to understand
>> >> >>> concepts
>> >> >>> like evolution or climate change.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> For instance: Kirk Cameron is a very skilled debater.  He's
>> >> >>> obviously
>> >> >>> received training and spent many hours composing the arguments to
>> >> >>> be
>> >> >>> used
>> >> >>> against people who support the theory of evolution.  I've watched
>> >> >>> him
>> >> >>> go toe
>> >> >>> to toe at debates on his home turf, obviously entrapping the people
>> >> >>> he's
>> >> >>> debating.  These are obvious and intricate traps.  This man has
>> >> >>> made
>> >> >>> it his
>> >> >>> life's WORK getting scientists to generate media buzz for him and
>> >> >>> he
>> >> >>> doesn't
>> >> >>> intend on backing down...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ...yet he can't take a 10 minute journey though the Magical Land of
>> >> >>> Google
>> >> >>> to figure out why the "Croc-a-duck" argument is fucking retarded.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> They aren't looking to be right, they are looking for attention.
>> >> >>> ICP,
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> record sales, Kirk Cameron, probably for political ambitions.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> But I think everyone here should have fun.  You know you are
>> >> >>> generating
>> >> >>> more media buzz for ICP, but you are also going to have a wicked
>> >> >>> time,
>> >> >>> get
>> >> >>> your own slice of attention, and hopefully get Noisebridge a bunch,
>> >> >>> too.
>> >> >>> Probably from the choir you are preaching to, probably a choir that
>> >> >>> would
>> >> >>> love to learn about and maybe even join or emulate Noisebridge.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Don't forget the body armor.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Rev. Dan <doktahworm at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Has anyone considered the fact that more effort has been spent
>> >> >>>> discussing this that will likely be spent thinking, at all, by
>> >> >>>> folks
>> >> >>>> who reject science in favor of willfull ignorance?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I think the only real evangelism that can/ could happen would
>> >> >>>> essentially just be preaching to the choir.  It sounds like this
>> >> >>>> could
>> >> >>>> be fun for its own sake; but having expectations beyond dressing
>> >> >>>> up
>> >> >>>> and having a good time might be not be all that reasonable.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I'd be willing to wager that ICP wrote the song to be gratuitously
>> >> >>>> controversial (ala GG Allin) and might well find the whole thing
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> be
>> >> >>>> entertaining.  (OMG, look at these "smart" people pissing
>> >> >>>> themselves
>> >> >>>> 'cause of our stupid song... bwuahahah... Woot, free publicity!)
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> You can lead a horse to water, but you can't convince him to do
>> >> >>>> algebra.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> - Dan
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Jesse Zbikowski
>> >> >>>> <embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> > You might consider dressing as a wizard, because rainbows and
>> >> >>>> > magnets
>> >> >>>> > are surely, in addition to their well known physical properties,
>> >> >>>> > also
>> >> >>>> > magic.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Science is at least as much about an awe of the mystery of the
>> >> >>>> > universe as it is about learning explanations from other people.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > It might be more effective in evoking scientific curiosity to
>> >> >>>> > show
>> >> >>>> > off
>> >> >>>> > some cool magnet and rainbow effects, without any explanation.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Don French <dcfrench at gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> > wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> Meant to send this to the list.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> -- Don
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Also worth watching:
>> >> >>>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGy64NJWotg&feature=related
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> -- Don
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Douglas Worley
>> >> >>>> >> <daworley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>> For reference:
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs&feature=youtube_gdata
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi08uLTOGxs&feature=youtube_gdata
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>> Cheers,
>> >> >>>> >>>   - Dougie
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>> Sent from my tricorder.
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>> On May 28, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Hephaestus
>> >> >>>> >>> <hephaestus at antipunk.net>
>> >> >>>> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>> >>>> Next Saturday, June 5th, is the ICP concert at the Warfield
>> >> >>>> >>>> Theater on
>> >> >>>> >>>> Market St.
>> >> >>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>> That evening, between 6-9pm as the juggalos are gathering,
>> >> >>>> >>>> but
>> >> >>>> >>>> hopefully not too drunk and angry yet, we'll be setting up a
>> >> >>>> >>>> science
>> >> >>>> >>>> fair to teach them how magnets, rainbows, and giraffes work.
>> >> >>>> >>>> If
>> >> >>>> >>>> you'd
>> >> >>>> >>>> like to help with this science fair, please come to NB next
>> >> >>>> >>>> Saturday
>> >> >>>> >>>> at 5pm with a science fair project (that's either cheap or
>> >> >>>> >>>> not
>> >> >>>> >>>> easily
>> >> >>>> >>>> broken). The theme of your project should reflect one of the
>> >> >>>> >>>> 'miracles' in the latest ICP music video.
>> >> >>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>> Even if you don't want to demonstrate magnetism to juggalos,
>> >> >>>> >>>> you
>> >> >>>> >>>> can
>> >> >>>> >>>> still participate, as we will need security and a camera crew
>> >> >>>> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> >>>> document the project.
>> >> >>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >>>> --
>> >> >>>> >>>> Hephaestus
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