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[Christie Dudley]

I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief.  While it's clear that the
intention was good, the net effect is increasing business for Elixir.  After
all, it was your responsibility to promote the event, Sean, so you
effectively gave them free advertising.  The portion that they donated to
Noisebridge?  It's revenue that they would not have seen anyway - tips.

I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations, although I
would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic enabler.  I will say
that I have been there and think it's a nice place to go for a drink, but it
makes me a little uncomfortable that they're using the community in this
fashion to increase their business.

When a portion of drink sales go to supporting the advertised charity, then
they're actually contributing.

Christie
_______
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The
latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to
hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
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On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:

> On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
> > Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the list - I
> think
> > me...err...google made it all better.
>
> Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity, how did
> this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's website was
> compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that email to the
> list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
>
> And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just clicked the
> link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a pharmacy
> site.
>
> > We all use the talents we have to make the space better, right? Leif,
> you're
> > likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some stuff with
> > booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my ability to raise
> > funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money in a
> > bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy right?
> so...tough
> > shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the point wasn't
> > really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get money for NB
> > that happened to take place at a bar.
>
> I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since Noisebridge
> could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost
> attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge is great;
> thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is advertising on our
> website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was clearly a
> result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for themselves,
> first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they would have
> otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you brought in.
> More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they also
> reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name is now
> associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds. This is
> obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more than they
> would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
>
> Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in
> exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website. Luckily I don't
> think our financial situation is so bad that we need to consider that
> kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who would have
> required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think we should
> continue this practice.
>
> If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that we decide
> we must sell association with our name as an advertising product, I
> think we should try to get the most value possible by going with a big
> spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com (I'm only 5%
> joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if it does, I
> do think we should shop around).
>
> Cheers,
> ~leif
>
> p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
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