[Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM
Rachel McConnell
rachel at xtreme.com
Thu Jun 10 18:50:35 UTC 2010
I don't see why we care if Elixir makes more or less money. Elixir and
Noisebridge are not a zero-sum game. I do appreciate that the
bartender(s) there are donating some of their tips to Noisebridge. The
net effect to NB is, more money; what's the downside? Lighten up people.
Rachel
Christie Dudley wrote:
> I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief. While it's clear that the
> intention was good, the net effect is increasing business for Elixir.
> After all, it was your responsibility to promote the event, Sean, so
> you effectively gave them free advertising. The portion that they
> donated to Noisebridge? It's revenue that they would not have seen
> anyway - tips.
>
> I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations, although I
> would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic enabler. I will
> say that I have been there and think it's a nice place to go for a
> drink, but it makes me a little uncomfortable that they're using the
> community in this fashion to increase their business.
>
> When a portion of drink sales go to supporting the advertised charity,
> then they're actually contributing.
>
> Christie
> _______
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
> The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
> to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
> intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us
> <mailto:leif at synthesize.us>> wrote:
>
> On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
> > Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the list
> - I think
> > me...err...google made it all better.
>
> Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity, how did
> this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's website was
> compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that email to the
> list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
>
> And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just clicked the
> link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a
> pharmacy site.
>
> > We all use the talents we have to make the space better, right?
> Leif, you're
> > likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some stuff
> with
> > booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my ability to
> raise
> > funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money in a
> > bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy right?
> so...tough
> > shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the point
> wasn't
> > really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get money
> for NB
> > that happened to take place at a bar.
>
> I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since Noisebridge
> could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost
> attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge is great;
> thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is advertising on our
> website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was clearly a
> result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for themselves,
> first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they would have
> otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you brought in.
> More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they also
> reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name is now
> associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds. This is
> obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more than they
> would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
>
> Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in
> exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website. Luckily I don't
> think our financial situation is so bad that we need to consider that
> kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who would have
> required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think we should
> continue this practice.
>
> If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that we decide
> we must sell association with our name as an advertising product, I
> think we should try to get the most value possible by going with a big
> spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com (I'm only 5%
> joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if it does, I
> do think we should shop around).
>
> Cheers,
> ~leif
>
> p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
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