[Noisebridge-discuss] (no subject) ^-- SPAM

Rachel McConnell rachel at xtreme.com
Thu Jun 10 18:50:35 UTC 2010


I don't see why we care if Elixir makes more or less money.  Elixir and
Noisebridge are not a zero-sum game.  I do appreciate that the
bartender(s) there are donating some of their tips to Noisebridge.  The
net effect to NB is, more money; what's the downside?  Lighten up people.

Rachel

Christie Dudley wrote:
> I couldn't have said it better myself, Lief.  While it's clear that the
> intention was good, the net effect is increasing business for Elixir.
>  After all, it was your responsibility to promote the event, Sean, so
> you effectively gave them free advertising.  The portion that they
> donated to Noisebridge?  It's revenue that they would not have seen
> anyway - tips.  
> 
> I'd like to thank the bartenders at Elixir for the donations, although I
> would consider the bar itself to merely be a parasitic enabler.  I will
> say that I have been there and think it's a nice place to go for a
> drink, but it makes me a little uncomfortable that they're using the
> community in this fashion to increase their business.
> 
> When a portion of drink sales go to supporting the advertised charity,
> then they're actually contributing.
> 
> Christie
> _______
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
> The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
> to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
> intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us
> <mailto:leif at synthesize.us>> wrote:
> 
>     On 06/10/2010 09:19 AM, Sean Cusack wrote:
>     > Sorry all - I hope peeps know that I didn't mean to spam the list
>     - I think
>     > me...err...google made it all better.
> 
>     Yeah, I figured you probably didn't mean to. Out of curiosity, how did
>     this happen? I understand that the city of Santo Adriano's website was
>     compromised by spammers, but what caused you to send that email to the
>     list consisting solely of that link? (Is your computer OK?)
> 
>     And, what do you mean "google made it all better"? I just clicked the
>     link again and Google isn't stopping it from redirecting to a
>     pharmacy site.
> 
>     > We all use the talents we have to make the space better, right?
>     Leif, you're
>     > likely an infinitely better coder than me. Me? I can do some stuff
>     with
>     > booze. Sorry you think its a bad idea to try and use my ability to
>     raise
>     > funds for the space other than walking in and dropping money in a
>     > bucket/sending a paypal donation, but this is a do-acracy right?
>     so...tough
>     > shit :). In case it really wasn't clear in the e-mails, the point
>     wasn't
>     > really to advertise a bar, but to advertise an event to get money
>     for NB
>     > that happened to take place at a bar.
> 
>     I was reluctant to say anything at all, especially since Noisebridge
>     could use more funds and I do like to consume alcohol - I almost
>     attended your event last night myself. Donating to Noisebridge is great;
>     thank you for doing that! What I don't appreciate is advertising on our
>     website, and regardless of if that was "the point" it was clearly a
>     result. Elixir obviously held this event to make money for themselves,
>     first and foremost. They presumably made more money than they would have
>     otherwise, due to the crowd of Noisebridge supporters you brought in.
>     More significantly, in addition to last nights' revenues, they also
>     reaped an invaluable gain to their brand equity: Our good name is now
>     associated with theirs in many local alcohol consumers' minds. This is
>     obviously beneficial to them, and, assuming they made more than they
>     would have otherwise, it didn't cost them a thing.
> 
>     Lots of companies would gladly throw some money at Noisebridge in
>     exchange for banners in the space and/or on our website. Luckily I don't
>     think our financial situation is so bad that we need to consider that
>     kind of thing. We have turned down "donors" in the past who would have
>     required advertising in exchange for their "donation"; I think we should
>     continue this practice.
> 
>     If our financial situation ever does become dire enough that we decide
>     we must sell association with our name as an advertising product, I
>     think we should try to get the most value possible by going with a big
>     spender like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenPalace.com (I'm only 5%
>     joking here - I sincerely hope it never comes to this, but if it does, I
>     do think we should shop around).
> 
>     Cheers,
>     ~leif
> 
>     p.s. want to get a beer sometime? I'll buy :)
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