[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal: Discounted full-year dues

aestetix aestetix aestetix at gmail.com
Wed Jun 16 19:40:28 UTC 2010


Are we actually in the red?

There's a big difference between not having a few months wiggleroom, and
having our checks bounce.

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>wrote:

> oooh I had no idea!  yeah i'll get in touch with them right away.  i did
> search various open source repos and found nothing useful...
>
> Christie Dudley wrote:
> > Katie from Hacker Dojo was mentioning they'd put together a complete
> > open source package for managing things, including payment tracking and
> > so forth that they're interested in sharing.  It might not be a bad
> > idea, and foster a bit of goodwill if we at least had a look at that,
> > don't you think?
> >
> > The problem may already be solved for us.
> >
> > Christie
> > _______
> > "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
> > The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
> > to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
> > intelligence." -- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com
> > <mailto:rachel at xtreme.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     It's all done by hand right now, there's no automation.  I mean the
> bank
> >     account (and paypal, etc) tracks that $X has shown up, but there
> isn't
> >     any system to associate it with a particular member.  Sometimes a
> >     payment comes with a note; if it's a check you have to go look at the
> >     name on the check, etc.
> >
> >     jim wrote:
> >     >    Y'all have reminded me of payment, so there must
> >     > be some tracking in place, yes?
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:29 -0700, Rachel McConnell wrote:
> >     >> I like this in theory but in practice it would be folly to
> officially
> >     >> promote it until we have an accounting system that can support it.
> >     >> Already we don't know who is paid up and who isn't; work is
> >     underway on
> >     >> a system to manage this but let's get it working first before we
> make
> >     >> massive changes to it.
> >     >>
> >     >> Rachel
> >     >>
> >     >> jim wrote:
> >     >>>    (seems like a discussion of policy.)
> >     >>>    per the proposal and the points:
> >     >>> * how much to discount for a one year pre-payment seems
> >     >>> the difficult part: too little and no one goes for it;
> >     >>> too big and we miss out on possible income; variable
> >     >>> (maybe within some limits, hoping for generosity) may
> >     >>> work....
> >     >>> * if we don't have a "real accounting system", as long
> >     >>> as we can track payments with respect to members, this
> >     >>> seems a non-issue. for example, i pay by the quarter
> >     >>> and haven't had any problems. if a payment is recorded
> >     >>> as income for the current month, is there a tax
> >     >>> implication?
> >     >>> * we should certainly try to help our current cash
> >     >>> crunch"; the overall downward trend scares me.
> >     >>> * grabbing a year's supply of money may help the
> >     >>> initially excited retain their interest over a longer
> >     >>> time period, which seems an additional value.
> >     >>> * i'm not convinced of your arithmetic, but certainly
> >     >>> money today is worth a fair amount more than money
> >     >>> some later day, especially if there's some question
> >     >>> about getting money on those later days. a real
> >     >>> answer to this might help settle the discount problem.
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>>
> >     >>> On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:49 -0700, Shannon Lee wrote:
> >     >>>> Hi All,
> >     >>>> This idea has been brought up at several meetings now and no
> >     >>>> satisfactory resolution reached, so obviously it's time to
> >     expand the
> >     >>>> conversation!
> >     >>>> The specific proposal brought up last night was this:
> >     >>>> If you pay your dues a year at a time, you can knock $20 off.
> >     Or one
> >     >>>> month's dues off. Or some amount of money.
> >     >>>> Many perspectives were voiced on this.  I think it's a good
> idea;
> >     >>>> others disagreed, primarily because, as we do not have a real
> >     >>>> accounting system, this amounts to counting a year's dues as
> this
> >     >>>> month's revenue.
> >     >>>> Again, I think this is a good idea, for the following reasons:
> >     >>>> * it could help with our current cash cruch
> >     >>>> * it means that people who get very excited about noisebridge
> >     for just
> >     >>>> long enough to be members and then never show up again have the
> >     >>>> opportunity to pay a whole year's membership upfront
> >     >>>> * the economic value of a bird in one's hand is double that of
> >     a bird
> >     >>>> in a bush
> >     >>>> Thoughts?
> >     >>>> --
> >     >>>> Shannon Lee
> >     >>>> (503) 539-3700
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from
> >     science."
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