[Noisebridge-discuss] call for action - Mr. Salvador/Salvator Dalajlama is back

jim jim at systemateka.com
Thu Nov 4 21:35:16 UTC 2010


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On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 13:31 -0700, meredith scheff wrote:
> Oh dear lord I really didn't need to see that. 
> But ya, that is him. 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Gian Pablo Villamil
> <gian.pablo at gmail.com> wrote:
>         That's him in the background, isn't it?
>         
>         
>         I'm getting kind of tired of having to deal with various
>         deranged people to get things done. I've had stuff taken from
>         my shelf, and project materials "appropriated".
>         
>         
>         I recall that the somewhat more exclusive membership approach
>         at NYCR didn't seem to get in the way of people doing cool
>         stuff.
>         
>         
>         
>         On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:55 PM, meredith scheff
>         <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>                 I have talked to him, very directly, twice, and been
>                 brushed off or spaced out. He knew what I was talking
>                 about and chose to ignore it. 
>                 He doesn't want to be at *noisebridge*, he wants to be
>                 somewhere for free where he can be high.
>                 m
>                 
>                 
>                 
>                 On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:46 PM, aestetix aestetix
>                 <aestetix at gmail.com> wrote:
>                         For context, we've had this discussion many
>                         times, in many forms. In some forms, it's been
>                         ways to keep certain people, like kids or
>                         individuals, out of Noisebridge, or even
>                         debating setting hours of "visitation." In
>                         others, it's been getting awesome new tech and
>                         making sure all the members have it, like
>                         RFID. In others, it's been cutting off parts
>                         of Noisebridge to people who were not
>                         considered members, like the DJ booth/wall
>                         incident. 
>                         
>                         I think all of these represent exclusion of
>                         someone who is being targeted for a certain
>                         amount of time, for a certain reason. So here
>                         are some of the things Noisebridge has done to
>                         make sure that exclusion hasn't happened:
>                         we've passed keys to people all over the world
>                         (thanks Mitch!), making sure people knew that
>                         keys are not tied to membership, but to being
>                         awesome. We've set the door system as a
>                         locking system that's deliberately pickable,
>                         to make sure that someone who doesn't have a
>                         key, but has the knowledge or resource to
>                         enter, is able to. We've argued against
>                         setting parts of Noisebridge to be locked,
>                         because every part of Noisebridge should be
>                         totally accessible to everyone, unless it is
>                         specifically labeled otherwise (such as a
>                         member's shelf or a project with a sign on
>                         it). These labels, of course, should be added
>                         with excellence towards others in mind.
>                         
>                         <devil's advocate viewpoint>
>                         Now regarding this individual, against whom it
>                         seems the mob has been calibrated: first, what
>                         a fucking awesome name. Salvador Dalajlama? He
>                         may not understand the connections made by
>                         that name, but it takes two people who I think
>                         are quite important and combines them. It wins
>                         creativity points from me. 
>                         
>                         Second, I read in one of these emails that the
>                         dude scaled the fire escape to get in, and
>                         people are concerned enough that they're
>                         considering putting a lock in the sliding door
>                         or something. That guy has guts, and is
>                         creative. How many people have been locked out
>                         of a place and gave up after 10 minutes and
>                         went somewhere else? And this dude loves
>                         Noisebridge so much that he fucking climbed up
>                         the side of the building to get in? That's
>                         hardcore! We need more people willing to do
>                         crazy shit and take risks like that.
>                         </devil's advocate viewpoint>
>                         
>                         So, here's my actual take on it. I think
>                         there's a communication breakdown, where a lot
>                         people think "we" have "attempted" to "talk"
>                         to him, and "failed." Instead of uniting
>                         against him, why not have the community ask a
>                         member (of the community, not necessarily
>                         Noisebridge) who we all trust to take all of
>                         our ideas and have a private chat with him?
>                         That way, rather than having a bunch of people
>                         all hit him with complaints, we have one
>                         person who's filtering them all, and in the
>                         process learns this guy's viewpoint and maybe
>                         even forms a friendship with him. I think that
>                         would be much more effective than arguing
>                         about whether to exclude him or not, and it
>                         would be easier to connect with him that way.
>                         
>                         aestetix
>                         
>                         
>                         
>                         On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Christie
>                         Dudley <longobord at gmail.com> wrote:
>                                 There's been a discussion of getting a
>                                 maglock in place since we moved into
>                                 the building.  It'd make things easier
>                                 for everyone, I think.  I can't
>                                 remember the exact reason that project
>                                 was dropped.  I think it had something
>                                 to do with the cost of the system and
>                                 Noisebridge not being able to come up
>                                 with a consensus to shell out or the
>                                 landlords not being OK with it or
>                                 there not being power in the area to
>                                 run the thing. I think all of those
>                                 were discussed at some point.
>                                 
>                                 
>                                 HOWEVER I'd be willing to bet that
>                                 this guy is NOT getting in via any QR
>                                 code, rotating or non-rotating keys,
>                                 or any other sorts of technical
>                                 trickery, but rather he's either
>                                 coming in when people are leaving or
>                                 he has his own physical key.  I'd put
>                                 money on him waiting outside so he can
>                                 enter as others are leaving.  That's a
>                                 pretty common trick amongst the
>                                 homeless.
>                                 
>                                 
>                                 Christie
>                                 _______
>                                 But wait... there's no FCC on the
>                                 moon!
>                                 
>                                 
>                                 
>                                 
>                                 On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Carl
>                                 Sue <theabcasian at gmail.com> wrote:
>                                         On the note of security hacker
>                                         dojo has an rf I'd key and
>                                         maglock system could this be
>                                         something we can get in place,
>                                         I know there has been
>                                         controversy over it but
>                                         perhaps now would be a good
>                                         time to start talking about
>                                         it, what about keeping the
>                                         current buzz in but add the
>                                         maglock and remove the key it
>                                         would also give us a notice
>                                         that the door is open and
>                                         needs to be shut. on that note
>                                         im guessing leaving the door
>                                         open even for workshops is bad
>                                         maybe we can get rid of the
>                                         type that people use to hold
>                                         the door open?
>                                         
>                                         On Oct 30, 2010 2:06 PM,
>                                         "meredith scheff"
>                                         <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>                                         
>                                         
>                                         > If everyone on this thread
>                                         tells him he's not welcome,
>                                         that's a whole hell
>                                         > of a lot of mojo in this
>                                         guy's face.
>                                         > 
>                                         > I, as much as I really don't
>                                         like this guy, also detest the
>                                         calling police
>                                         > option. HOWEVER:
>                                         *threatening* to call the
>                                         police is just fine. I also
>                                         don't
>                                         > like the sign idea, it's
>                                         passive aggressive, and who
>                                         knows what this guy's
>                                         > faculties for recognizing
>                                         his own face.
>                                         > Direct confrontation. Calm,
>                                         direct, keep the message clear
>                                         and simple.
>                                         > 
>                                         > As for safety policies, I'm
>                                         all for keeping them a bit
>                                         higher, but please
>                                         > don't think I mean TSA. I
>                                         mean, we're in a sketchy hood,
>                                         and so far we have
>                                         > been adrift in a sheltered
>                                         harbor of anonymity and
>                                         obscurity, and that is
>                                         > ending or has ended. We need
>                                         to recognize that. Can we get
>                                         the rotating key
>                                         > back up?
>                                         > I don't think we should
>                                         *change* the lock, but we
>                                         could lock the glass door
>                                         > at night.
>                                         > These items i believe are
>                                         for the next meeting. I can't
>                                         make this tuesday
>                                         > because of prior
>                                         obligations, but would love to
>                                         be a part of the discussions
>                                         > the meeting afterwords.
>                                         > 
>                                         > Also, here's an idea: for
>                                         membership applications, have
>                                         there be a 1 week
>                                         > period between the end of
>                                         the application and the
>                                         initiation. Post that
>                                         > person's name on the list or
>                                         the wiki (or their moniker, or
>                                         whatever) so
>                                         > that folks who can't make
>                                         the meeting can weigh in, as
>                                         well.
>                                         > I realize that doesn't
>                                         actually help with the problem
>                                         of random weirdos
>                                         > (more weird and random than
>                                         the normal) but it's an idea.
>                                         > 
>                                         > Keep calm and carry on
>                                         > Meredith
>                                         > 
>                                         > 
>                                         > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at
>                                         12:02 PM, Jonathan Lassoff
>                                         <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
>                                         > 
>                                         >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at
>                                         11:52 AM, Sean Cusack
>                                         <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
>                                         >> wrote:
>                                         >> > So, can we reinforce with
>                                         him that he's not welcome and
>                                         maybe serve him
>                                         >> up
>                                         >> > an ultimatum? Something
>                                         like, "hey, you know you
>                                         aren't welcome here -
>                                         >> > you've been told before.
>                                         Its not a crash pad, or a
>                                         place that things can
>                                         >> be
>                                         >> > taken from. So, please
>                                         take off. If you can't stop
>                                         coming back, we'll
>                                         >> have
>                                         >> > no choice but to call the
>                                         cops".
>                                         >>
>                                         >> Personally, I really detest
>                                         the idea of calling the police
>                                         to get this
>                                         >> guy to leave.
>                                         >>
>                                         >> If anything, I think this
>                                         is a good chance for us to
>                                         unite and look at
>                                         >> our security practices for
>                                         access control. For a
>                                         *hacker*space of all
>                                         >> things, I think our
>                                         "security" at 2169 is pretty
>                                         dismal (read:
>                                         >> nonexistent).
>                                         >>
>                                         >> A couple of things I think
>                                         we can start doing:
>                                         >> - Ask on the intercom who
>                                         is coming in
>                                         >> - Remove a public QR code
>                                         by the front door
>                                         >> - Make sure the "key" page
>                                         on pony is properly rotating
>                                         its keys (it
>                                         >> seems to have stopped)
>                                         >> - Repair / replace the lock
>                                         on the door from the stairwell
>                                         and/or elevator
>                                         >> gate
>                                         >>
>                                         >> What other things can we do
>                                         to make sure we're not just
>                                         letting in
>                                         >> total strangers without
>                                         greeting them first?
>                                         >>
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>                                         > 
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>                                         is an extension of the
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>                                         > brain, to acquire
>                                         knowledge; ...artists are, in
>                                         a sense, neurologists who
>                                         > study the capacities of the
>                                         visual brain with techniques
>                                         that are unique to
>                                         > them. ." -Semir Zeki
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>                 knowledge; ...artists are, in a sense, neurologists
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