[Noisebridge-discuss] call for action - Mr. Salvador/Salvator Dalajlama is back
jim
jim at systemateka.com
Thu Nov 4 21:35:16 UTC 2010
http://www.robotreviews.com/hack2/battery.shtml
hth
On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 13:31 -0700, meredith scheff wrote:
> Oh dear lord I really didn't need to see that.
> But ya, that is him.
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Gian Pablo Villamil
> <gian.pablo at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's him in the background, isn't it?
>
>
> I'm getting kind of tired of having to deal with various
> deranged people to get things done. I've had stuff taken from
> my shelf, and project materials "appropriated".
>
>
> I recall that the somewhat more exclusive membership approach
> at NYCR didn't seem to get in the way of people doing cool
> stuff.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:55 PM, meredith scheff
> <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have talked to him, very directly, twice, and been
> brushed off or spaced out. He knew what I was talking
> about and chose to ignore it.
> He doesn't want to be at *noisebridge*, he wants to be
> somewhere for free where he can be high.
> m
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:46 PM, aestetix aestetix
> <aestetix at gmail.com> wrote:
> For context, we've had this discussion many
> times, in many forms. In some forms, it's been
> ways to keep certain people, like kids or
> individuals, out of Noisebridge, or even
> debating setting hours of "visitation." In
> others, it's been getting awesome new tech and
> making sure all the members have it, like
> RFID. In others, it's been cutting off parts
> of Noisebridge to people who were not
> considered members, like the DJ booth/wall
> incident.
>
> I think all of these represent exclusion of
> someone who is being targeted for a certain
> amount of time, for a certain reason. So here
> are some of the things Noisebridge has done to
> make sure that exclusion hasn't happened:
> we've passed keys to people all over the world
> (thanks Mitch!), making sure people knew that
> keys are not tied to membership, but to being
> awesome. We've set the door system as a
> locking system that's deliberately pickable,
> to make sure that someone who doesn't have a
> key, but has the knowledge or resource to
> enter, is able to. We've argued against
> setting parts of Noisebridge to be locked,
> because every part of Noisebridge should be
> totally accessible to everyone, unless it is
> specifically labeled otherwise (such as a
> member's shelf or a project with a sign on
> it). These labels, of course, should be added
> with excellence towards others in mind.
>
> <devil's advocate viewpoint>
> Now regarding this individual, against whom it
> seems the mob has been calibrated: first, what
> a fucking awesome name. Salvador Dalajlama? He
> may not understand the connections made by
> that name, but it takes two people who I think
> are quite important and combines them. It wins
> creativity points from me.
>
> Second, I read in one of these emails that the
> dude scaled the fire escape to get in, and
> people are concerned enough that they're
> considering putting a lock in the sliding door
> or something. That guy has guts, and is
> creative. How many people have been locked out
> of a place and gave up after 10 minutes and
> went somewhere else? And this dude loves
> Noisebridge so much that he fucking climbed up
> the side of the building to get in? That's
> hardcore! We need more people willing to do
> crazy shit and take risks like that.
> </devil's advocate viewpoint>
>
> So, here's my actual take on it. I think
> there's a communication breakdown, where a lot
> people think "we" have "attempted" to "talk"
> to him, and "failed." Instead of uniting
> against him, why not have the community ask a
> member (of the community, not necessarily
> Noisebridge) who we all trust to take all of
> our ideas and have a private chat with him?
> That way, rather than having a bunch of people
> all hit him with complaints, we have one
> person who's filtering them all, and in the
> process learns this guy's viewpoint and maybe
> even forms a friendship with him. I think that
> would be much more effective than arguing
> about whether to exclude him or not, and it
> would be easier to connect with him that way.
>
> aestetix
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Christie
> Dudley <longobord at gmail.com> wrote:
> There's been a discussion of getting a
> maglock in place since we moved into
> the building. It'd make things easier
> for everyone, I think. I can't
> remember the exact reason that project
> was dropped. I think it had something
> to do with the cost of the system and
> Noisebridge not being able to come up
> with a consensus to shell out or the
> landlords not being OK with it or
> there not being power in the area to
> run the thing. I think all of those
> were discussed at some point.
>
>
> HOWEVER I'd be willing to bet that
> this guy is NOT getting in via any QR
> code, rotating or non-rotating keys,
> or any other sorts of technical
> trickery, but rather he's either
> coming in when people are leaving or
> he has his own physical key. I'd put
> money on him waiting outside so he can
> enter as others are leaving. That's a
> pretty common trick amongst the
> homeless.
>
>
> Christie
> _______
> But wait... there's no FCC on the
> moon!
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Carl
> Sue <theabcasian at gmail.com> wrote:
> On the note of security hacker
> dojo has an rf I'd key and
> maglock system could this be
> something we can get in place,
> I know there has been
> controversy over it but
> perhaps now would be a good
> time to start talking about
> it, what about keeping the
> current buzz in but add the
> maglock and remove the key it
> would also give us a notice
> that the door is open and
> needs to be shut. on that note
> im guessing leaving the door
> open even for workshops is bad
> maybe we can get rid of the
> type that people use to hold
> the door open?
>
> On Oct 30, 2010 2:06 PM,
> "meredith scheff"
> <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > If everyone on this thread
> tells him he's not welcome,
> that's a whole hell
> > of a lot of mojo in this
> guy's face.
> >
> > I, as much as I really don't
> like this guy, also detest the
> calling police
> > option. HOWEVER:
> *threatening* to call the
> police is just fine. I also
> don't
> > like the sign idea, it's
> passive aggressive, and who
> knows what this guy's
> > faculties for recognizing
> his own face.
> > Direct confrontation. Calm,
> direct, keep the message clear
> and simple.
> >
> > As for safety policies, I'm
> all for keeping them a bit
> higher, but please
> > don't think I mean TSA. I
> mean, we're in a sketchy hood,
> and so far we have
> > been adrift in a sheltered
> harbor of anonymity and
> obscurity, and that is
> > ending or has ended. We need
> to recognize that. Can we get
> the rotating key
> > back up?
> > I don't think we should
> *change* the lock, but we
> could lock the glass door
> > at night.
> > These items i believe are
> for the next meeting. I can't
> make this tuesday
> > because of prior
> obligations, but would love to
> be a part of the discussions
> > the meeting afterwords.
> >
> > Also, here's an idea: for
> membership applications, have
> there be a 1 week
> > period between the end of
> the application and the
> initiation. Post that
> > person's name on the list or
> the wiki (or their moniker, or
> whatever) so
> > that folks who can't make
> the meeting can weigh in, as
> well.
> > I realize that doesn't
> actually help with the problem
> of random weirdos
> > (more weird and random than
> the normal) but it's an idea.
> >
> > Keep calm and carry on
> > Meredith
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at
> 12:02 PM, Jonathan Lassoff
> <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at
> 11:52 AM, Sean Cusack
> <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > So, can we reinforce with
> him that he's not welcome and
> maybe serve him
> >> up
> >> > an ultimatum? Something
> like, "hey, you know you
> aren't welcome here -
> >> > you've been told before.
> Its not a crash pad, or a
> place that things can
> >> be
> >> > taken from. So, please
> take off. If you can't stop
> coming back, we'll
> >> have
> >> > no choice but to call the
> cops".
> >>
> >> Personally, I really detest
> the idea of calling the police
> to get this
> >> guy to leave.
> >>
> >> If anything, I think this
> is a good chance for us to
> unite and look at
> >> our security practices for
> access control. For a
> *hacker*space of all
> >> things, I think our
> "security" at 2169 is pretty
> dismal (read:
> >> nonexistent).
> >>
> >> A couple of things I think
> we can start doing:
> >> - Ask on the intercom who
> is coming in
> >> - Remove a public QR code
> by the front door
> >> - Make sure the "key" page
> on pony is properly rotating
> its keys (it
> >> seems to have stopped)
> >> - Repair / replace the lock
> on the door from the stairwell
> and/or elevator
> >> gate
> >>
> >> What other things can we do
> to make sure we're not just
> letting in
> >> total strangers without
> greeting them first?
> >>
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> > brain, to acquire
> knowledge; ...artists are, in
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