[Noisebridge-discuss] call for action - Mr. Salvador/Salvator Dalajlama is back
Doctor Popular
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Thu Nov 4 22:34:08 UTC 2010
Wait, are you suggesting that someone dissect Mr. Dalajlama and install 12 Sub-C Cell NiMH batteries in him? If so, you should probably post it to the "Things to do" page on the wiki.
-Doctor Popular
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On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:35 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
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> http://www.robotreviews.com/hack2/battery.shtml
> hth
>
>
> On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 13:31 -0700, meredith scheff wrote:
>> Oh dear lord I really didn't need to see that.
>> But ya, that is him.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Gian Pablo Villamil
>> <gian.pablo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's him in the background, isn't it?
>>
>>
>> I'm getting kind of tired of having to deal with various
>> deranged people to get things done. I've had stuff taken from
>> my shelf, and project materials "appropriated".
>>
>>
>> I recall that the somewhat more exclusive membership approach
>> at NYCR didn't seem to get in the way of people doing cool
>> stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:55 PM, meredith scheff
>> <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have talked to him, very directly, twice, and been
>> brushed off or spaced out. He knew what I was talking
>> about and chose to ignore it.
>> He doesn't want to be at *noisebridge*, he wants to be
>> somewhere for free where he can be high.
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:46 PM, aestetix aestetix
>> <aestetix at gmail.com> wrote:
>> For context, we've had this discussion many
>> times, in many forms. In some forms, it's been
>> ways to keep certain people, like kids or
>> individuals, out of Noisebridge, or even
>> debating setting hours of "visitation." In
>> others, it's been getting awesome new tech and
>> making sure all the members have it, like
>> RFID. In others, it's been cutting off parts
>> of Noisebridge to people who were not
>> considered members, like the DJ booth/wall
>> incident.
>>
>> I think all of these represent exclusion of
>> someone who is being targeted for a certain
>> amount of time, for a certain reason. So here
>> are some of the things Noisebridge has done to
>> make sure that exclusion hasn't happened:
>> we've passed keys to people all over the world
>> (thanks Mitch!), making sure people knew that
>> keys are not tied to membership, but to being
>> awesome. We've set the door system as a
>> locking system that's deliberately pickable,
>> to make sure that someone who doesn't have a
>> key, but has the knowledge or resource to
>> enter, is able to. We've argued against
>> setting parts of Noisebridge to be locked,
>> because every part of Noisebridge should be
>> totally accessible to everyone, unless it is
>> specifically labeled otherwise (such as a
>> member's shelf or a project with a sign on
>> it). These labels, of course, should be added
>> with excellence towards others in mind.
>>
>> <devil's advocate viewpoint>
>> Now regarding this individual, against whom it
>> seems the mob has been calibrated: first, what
>> a fucking awesome name. Salvador Dalajlama? He
>> may not understand the connections made by
>> that name, but it takes two people who I think
>> are quite important and combines them. It wins
>> creativity points from me.
>>
>> Second, I read in one of these emails that the
>> dude scaled the fire escape to get in, and
>> people are concerned enough that they're
>> considering putting a lock in the sliding door
>> or something. That guy has guts, and is
>> creative. How many people have been locked out
>> of a place and gave up after 10 minutes and
>> went somewhere else? And this dude loves
>> Noisebridge so much that he fucking climbed up
>> the side of the building to get in? That's
>> hardcore! We need more people willing to do
>> crazy shit and take risks like that.
>> </devil's advocate viewpoint>
>>
>> So, here's my actual take on it. I think
>> there's a communication breakdown, where a lot
>> people think "we" have "attempted" to "talk"
>> to him, and "failed." Instead of uniting
>> against him, why not have the community ask a
>> member (of the community, not necessarily
>> Noisebridge) who we all trust to take all of
>> our ideas and have a private chat with him?
>> That way, rather than having a bunch of people
>> all hit him with complaints, we have one
>> person who's filtering them all, and in the
>> process learns this guy's viewpoint and maybe
>> even forms a friendship with him. I think that
>> would be much more effective than arguing
>> about whether to exclude him or not, and it
>> would be easier to connect with him that way.
>>
>> aestetix
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Christie
>> Dudley <longobord at gmail.com> wrote:
>> There's been a discussion of getting a
>> maglock in place since we moved into
>> the building. It'd make things easier
>> for everyone, I think. I can't
>> remember the exact reason that project
>> was dropped. I think it had something
>> to do with the cost of the system and
>> Noisebridge not being able to come up
>> with a consensus to shell out or the
>> landlords not being OK with it or
>> there not being power in the area to
>> run the thing. I think all of those
>> were discussed at some point.
>>
>>
>> HOWEVER I'd be willing to bet that
>> this guy is NOT getting in via any QR
>> code, rotating or non-rotating keys,
>> or any other sorts of technical
>> trickery, but rather he's either
>> coming in when people are leaving or
>> he has his own physical key. I'd put
>> money on him waiting outside so he can
>> enter as others are leaving. That's a
>> pretty common trick amongst the
>> homeless.
>>
>>
>> Christie
>> _______
>> But wait... there's no FCC on the
>> moon!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Carl
>> Sue <theabcasian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On the note of security hacker
>> dojo has an rf I'd key and
>> maglock system could this be
>> something we can get in place,
>> I know there has been
>> controversy over it but
>> perhaps now would be a good
>> time to start talking about
>> it, what about keeping the
>> current buzz in but add the
>> maglock and remove the key it
>> would also give us a notice
>> that the door is open and
>> needs to be shut. on that note
>> im guessing leaving the door
>> open even for workshops is bad
>> maybe we can get rid of the
>> type that people use to hold
>> the door open?
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2010 2:06 PM,
>> "meredith scheff"
>> <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If everyone on this thread
>> tells him he's not welcome,
>> that's a whole hell
>>> of a lot of mojo in this
>> guy's face.
>>>
>>> I, as much as I really don't
>> like this guy, also detest the
>> calling police
>>> option. HOWEVER:
>> *threatening* to call the
>> police is just fine. I also
>> don't
>>> like the sign idea, it's
>> passive aggressive, and who
>> knows what this guy's
>>> faculties for recognizing
>> his own face.
>>> Direct confrontation. Calm,
>> direct, keep the message clear
>> and simple.
>>>
>>> As for safety policies, I'm
>> all for keeping them a bit
>> higher, but please
>>> don't think I mean TSA. I
>> mean, we're in a sketchy hood,
>> and so far we have
>>> been adrift in a sheltered
>> harbor of anonymity and
>> obscurity, and that is
>>> ending or has ended. We need
>> to recognize that. Can we get
>> the rotating key
>>> back up?
>>> I don't think we should
>> *change* the lock, but we
>> could lock the glass door
>>> at night.
>>> These items i believe are
>> for the next meeting. I can't
>> make this tuesday
>>> because of prior
>> obligations, but would love to
>> be a part of the discussions
>>> the meeting afterwords.
>>>
>>> Also, here's an idea: for
>> membership applications, have
>> there be a 1 week
>>> period between the end of
>> the application and the
>> initiation. Post that
>>> person's name on the list or
>> the wiki (or their moniker, or
>> whatever) so
>>> that folks who can't make
>> the meeting can weigh in, as
>> well.
>>> I realize that doesn't
>> actually help with the problem
>> of random weirdos
>>> (more weird and random than
>> the normal) but it's an idea.
>>>
>>> Keep calm and carry on
>>> Meredith
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at
>> 12:02 PM, Jonathan Lassoff
>> <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at
>> 11:52 AM, Sean Cusack
>> <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> So, can we reinforce with
>> him that he's not welcome and
>> maybe serve him
>>>> up
>>>>> an ultimatum? Something
>> like, "hey, you know you
>> aren't welcome here -
>>>>> you've been told before.
>> Its not a crash pad, or a
>> place that things can
>>>> be
>>>>> taken from. So, please
>> take off. If you can't stop
>> coming back, we'll
>>>> have
>>>>> no choice but to call the
>> cops".
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I really detest
>> the idea of calling the police
>> to get this
>>>> guy to leave.
>>>>
>>>> If anything, I think this
>> is a good chance for us to
>> unite and look at
>>>> our security practices for
>> access control. For a
>> *hacker*space of all
>>>> things, I think our
>> "security" at 2169 is pretty
>> dismal (read:
>>>> nonexistent).
>>>>
>>>> A couple of things I think
>> we can start doing:
>>>> - Ask on the intercom who
>> is coming in
>>>> - Remove a public QR code
>> by the front door
>>>> - Make sure the "key" page
>> on pony is properly rotating
>> its keys (it
>>>> seems to have stopped)
>>>> - Repair / replace the lock
>> on the door from the stairwell
>> and/or elevator
>>>> gate
>>>>
>>>> What other things can we do
>> to make sure we're not just
>> letting in
>>>> total strangers without
>> greeting them first?
>>>>
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