[Noisebridge-discuss] call for action - Mr. Salvador/Salvator Dalajlama is back

Doctor Popular yoyogenius at gmail.com
Thu Nov 4 22:34:08 UTC 2010


Wait, are you suggesting that someone dissect Mr. Dalajlama and install 12 Sub-C Cell NiMH batteries in him? If so, you should probably post it to the "Things to do" page on the wiki. 

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On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:35 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:

> 
> http://www.robotreviews.com/hack2/battery.shtml 
> hth
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2010-11-04 at 13:31 -0700, meredith scheff wrote:
>> Oh dear lord I really didn't need to see that. 
>> But ya, that is him. 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Gian Pablo Villamil
>> <gian.pablo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>        That's him in the background, isn't it?
>> 
>> 
>>        I'm getting kind of tired of having to deal with various
>>        deranged people to get things done. I've had stuff taken from
>>        my shelf, and project materials "appropriated".
>> 
>> 
>>        I recall that the somewhat more exclusive membership approach
>>        at NYCR didn't seem to get in the way of people doing cool
>>        stuff.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:55 PM, meredith scheff
>>        <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>                I have talked to him, very directly, twice, and been
>>                brushed off or spaced out. He knew what I was talking
>>                about and chose to ignore it. 
>>                He doesn't want to be at *noisebridge*, he wants to be
>>                somewhere for free where he can be high.
>>                m
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:46 PM, aestetix aestetix
>>                <aestetix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>                        For context, we've had this discussion many
>>                        times, in many forms. In some forms, it's been
>>                        ways to keep certain people, like kids or
>>                        individuals, out of Noisebridge, or even
>>                        debating setting hours of "visitation." In
>>                        others, it's been getting awesome new tech and
>>                        making sure all the members have it, like
>>                        RFID. In others, it's been cutting off parts
>>                        of Noisebridge to people who were not
>>                        considered members, like the DJ booth/wall
>>                        incident. 
>> 
>>                        I think all of these represent exclusion of
>>                        someone who is being targeted for a certain
>>                        amount of time, for a certain reason. So here
>>                        are some of the things Noisebridge has done to
>>                        make sure that exclusion hasn't happened:
>>                        we've passed keys to people all over the world
>>                        (thanks Mitch!), making sure people knew that
>>                        keys are not tied to membership, but to being
>>                        awesome. We've set the door system as a
>>                        locking system that's deliberately pickable,
>>                        to make sure that someone who doesn't have a
>>                        key, but has the knowledge or resource to
>>                        enter, is able to. We've argued against
>>                        setting parts of Noisebridge to be locked,
>>                        because every part of Noisebridge should be
>>                        totally accessible to everyone, unless it is
>>                        specifically labeled otherwise (such as a
>>                        member's shelf or a project with a sign on
>>                        it). These labels, of course, should be added
>>                        with excellence towards others in mind.
>> 
>>                        <devil's advocate viewpoint>
>>                        Now regarding this individual, against whom it
>>                        seems the mob has been calibrated: first, what
>>                        a fucking awesome name. Salvador Dalajlama? He
>>                        may not understand the connections made by
>>                        that name, but it takes two people who I think
>>                        are quite important and combines them. It wins
>>                        creativity points from me. 
>> 
>>                        Second, I read in one of these emails that the
>>                        dude scaled the fire escape to get in, and
>>                        people are concerned enough that they're
>>                        considering putting a lock in the sliding door
>>                        or something. That guy has guts, and is
>>                        creative. How many people have been locked out
>>                        of a place and gave up after 10 minutes and
>>                        went somewhere else? And this dude loves
>>                        Noisebridge so much that he fucking climbed up
>>                        the side of the building to get in? That's
>>                        hardcore! We need more people willing to do
>>                        crazy shit and take risks like that.
>>                        </devil's advocate viewpoint>
>> 
>>                        So, here's my actual take on it. I think
>>                        there's a communication breakdown, where a lot
>>                        people think "we" have "attempted" to "talk"
>>                        to him, and "failed." Instead of uniting
>>                        against him, why not have the community ask a
>>                        member (of the community, not necessarily
>>                        Noisebridge) who we all trust to take all of
>>                        our ideas and have a private chat with him?
>>                        That way, rather than having a bunch of people
>>                        all hit him with complaints, we have one
>>                        person who's filtering them all, and in the
>>                        process learns this guy's viewpoint and maybe
>>                        even forms a friendship with him. I think that
>>                        would be much more effective than arguing
>>                        about whether to exclude him or not, and it
>>                        would be easier to connect with him that way.
>> 
>>                        aestetix
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                        On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Christie
>>                        Dudley <longobord at gmail.com> wrote:
>>                                There's been a discussion of getting a
>>                                maglock in place since we moved into
>>                                the building.  It'd make things easier
>>                                for everyone, I think.  I can't
>>                                remember the exact reason that project
>>                                was dropped.  I think it had something
>>                                to do with the cost of the system and
>>                                Noisebridge not being able to come up
>>                                with a consensus to shell out or the
>>                                landlords not being OK with it or
>>                                there not being power in the area to
>>                                run the thing. I think all of those
>>                                were discussed at some point.
>> 
>> 
>>                                HOWEVER I'd be willing to bet that
>>                                this guy is NOT getting in via any QR
>>                                code, rotating or non-rotating keys,
>>                                or any other sorts of technical
>>                                trickery, but rather he's either
>>                                coming in when people are leaving or
>>                                he has his own physical key.  I'd put
>>                                money on him waiting outside so he can
>>                                enter as others are leaving.  That's a
>>                                pretty common trick amongst the
>>                                homeless.
>> 
>> 
>>                                Christie
>>                                _______
>>                                But wait... there's no FCC on the
>>                                moon!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                                On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Carl
>>                                Sue <theabcasian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>                                        On the note of security hacker
>>                                        dojo has an rf I'd key and
>>                                        maglock system could this be
>>                                        something we can get in place,
>>                                        I know there has been
>>                                        controversy over it but
>>                                        perhaps now would be a good
>>                                        time to start talking about
>>                                        it, what about keeping the
>>                                        current buzz in but add the
>>                                        maglock and remove the key it
>>                                        would also give us a notice
>>                                        that the door is open and
>>                                        needs to be shut. on that note
>>                                        im guessing leaving the door
>>                                        open even for workshops is bad
>>                                        maybe we can get rid of the
>>                                        type that people use to hold
>>                                        the door open?
>> 
>>                                        On Oct 30, 2010 2:06 PM,
>>                                        "meredith scheff"
>>                                        <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> If everyone on this thread
>>                                        tells him he's not welcome,
>>                                        that's a whole hell
>>> of a lot of mojo in this
>>                                        guy's face.
>>> 
>>> I, as much as I really don't
>>                                        like this guy, also detest the
>>                                        calling police
>>> option. HOWEVER:
>>                                        *threatening* to call the
>>                                        police is just fine. I also
>>                                        don't
>>> like the sign idea, it's
>>                                        passive aggressive, and who
>>                                        knows what this guy's
>>> faculties for recognizing
>>                                        his own face.
>>> Direct confrontation. Calm,
>>                                        direct, keep the message clear
>>                                        and simple.
>>> 
>>> As for safety policies, I'm
>>                                        all for keeping them a bit
>>                                        higher, but please
>>> don't think I mean TSA. I
>>                                        mean, we're in a sketchy hood,
>>                                        and so far we have
>>> been adrift in a sheltered
>>                                        harbor of anonymity and
>>                                        obscurity, and that is
>>> ending or has ended. We need
>>                                        to recognize that. Can we get
>>                                        the rotating key
>>> back up?
>>> I don't think we should
>>                                        *change* the lock, but we
>>                                        could lock the glass door
>>> at night.
>>> These items i believe are
>>                                        for the next meeting. I can't
>>                                        make this tuesday
>>> because of prior
>>                                        obligations, but would love to
>>                                        be a part of the discussions
>>> the meeting afterwords.
>>> 
>>> Also, here's an idea: for
>>                                        membership applications, have
>>                                        there be a 1 week
>>> period between the end of
>>                                        the application and the
>>                                        initiation. Post that
>>> person's name on the list or
>>                                        the wiki (or their moniker, or
>>                                        whatever) so
>>> that folks who can't make
>>                                        the meeting can weigh in, as
>>                                        well.
>>> I realize that doesn't
>>                                        actually help with the problem
>>                                        of random weirdos
>>> (more weird and random than
>>                                        the normal) but it's an idea.
>>> 
>>> Keep calm and carry on
>>> Meredith
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at
>>                                        12:02 PM, Jonathan Lassoff
>>                                        <jof at thejof.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at
>>                                        11:52 AM, Sean Cusack
>>                                        <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> So, can we reinforce with
>>                                        him that he's not welcome and
>>                                        maybe serve him
>>>> up
>>>>> an ultimatum? Something
>>                                        like, "hey, you know you
>>                                        aren't welcome here -
>>>>> you've been told before.
>>                                        Its not a crash pad, or a
>>                                        place that things can
>>>> be
>>>>> taken from. So, please
>>                                        take off. If you can't stop
>>                                        coming back, we'll
>>>> have
>>>>> no choice but to call the
>>                                        cops".
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I really detest
>>                                        the idea of calling the police
>>                                        to get this
>>>> guy to leave.
>>>> 
>>>> If anything, I think this
>>                                        is a good chance for us to
>>                                        unite and look at
>>>> our security practices for
>>                                        access control. For a
>>                                        *hacker*space of all
>>>> things, I think our
>>                                        "security" at 2169 is pretty
>>                                        dismal (read:
>>>> nonexistent).
>>>> 
>>>> A couple of things I think
>>                                        we can start doing:
>>>> - Ask on the intercom who
>>                                        is coming in
>>>> - Remove a public QR code
>>                                        by the front door
>>>> - Make sure the "key" page
>>                                        on pony is properly rotating
>>                                        its keys (it
>>>> seems to have stopped)
>>>> - Repair / replace the lock
>>                                        on the door from the stairwell
>>                                        and/or elevator
>>>> gate
>>>> 
>>>> What other things can we do
>>                                        to make sure we're not just
>>                                        letting in
>>>> total strangers without
>>                                        greeting them first?
>>>> 
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>>                                        knowledge; ...artists are, in
>>                                        a sense, neurologists who
>>> study the capacities of the
>>                                        visual brain with techniques
>>                                        that are unique to
>>> them. ." -Semir Zeki
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