[Noisebridge-discuss] call for action - Mr. Salvador/Salvator Dalajlama is back

[Matt Joyce]

I think you may be approaching the problem erronously.

Think of a key system as a password style system.  Even with the key system
you still have to lock down registration.  So what benefit does the key
system really provide?

And it does alienate new comers.  Someone can't get in... they may just say
fuck it and never come back.

I say, think of these undesirables as spammers.  What we need is a
re-captcha still barrier of entry.  Something joe hacker innately knows or
can figure out quickly... but would leave one of these folks at a loss.

-Matt
On Oct 30, 2010 2:46 PM, "Carl Sue" <theabcasian at gmail.com> wrote:
> On the note of security hacker dojo has an rf I'd key and maglock system
> could this be something we can get in place, I know there has been
> controversy over it but perhaps now would be a good time to start talking
> about it, what about keeping the current buzz in but add the maglock and
> remove the key it would also give us a notice that the door is open and
> needs to be shut. on that note im guessing leaving the door open even for
> workshops is bad maybe we can get rid of the type that people use to hold
> the door open?
> On Oct 30, 2010 2:06 PM, "meredith scheff" <satiredun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If everyone on this thread tells him he's not welcome, that's a whole
hell
>> of a lot of mojo in this guy's face.
>>
>> I, as much as I really don't like this guy, also detest the calling
police
>> option. HOWEVER: *threatening* to call the police is just fine. I also
> don't
>> like the sign idea, it's passive aggressive, and who knows what this
guy's
>> faculties for recognizing his own face.
>> Direct confrontation. Calm, direct, keep the message clear and simple.
>>
>> As for safety policies, I'm all for keeping them a bit higher, but please
>> don't think I mean TSA. I mean, we're in a sketchy hood, and so far we
> have
>> been adrift in a sheltered harbor of anonymity and obscurity, and that is
>> ending or has ended. We need to recognize that. Can we get the rotating
> key
>> back up?
>> I don't think we should *change* the lock, but we could lock the glass
> door
>> at night.
>> These items i believe are for the next meeting. I can't make this tuesday
>> because of prior obligations, but would love to be a part of the
> discussions
>> the meeting afterwords.
>>
>> Also, here's an idea: for membership applications, have there be a 1 week
>> period between the end of the application and the initiation. Post that
>> person's name on the list or the wiki (or their moniker, or whatever) so
>> that folks who can't make the meeting can weigh in, as well.
>> I realize that doesn't actually help with the problem of random weirdos
>> (more weird and random than the normal) but it's an idea.
>>
>> Keep calm and carry on
>> Meredith
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof at thejof.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Sean Cusack <sean.p.cusack at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > So, can we reinforce with him that he's not welcome and maybe serve
him
>>> up
>>> > an ultimatum? Something like, "hey, you know you aren't welcome here -
>>> > you've been told before. Its not a crash pad, or a place that things
> can
>>> be
>>> > taken from. So, please take off. If you can't stop coming back, we'll
>>> have
>>> > no choice but to call the cops".
>>>
>>> Personally, I really detest the idea of calling the police to get this
>>> guy to leave.
>>>
>>> If anything, I think this is a good chance for us to unite and look at
>>> our security practices for access control. For a *hacker*space of all
>>> things, I think our "security" at 2169 is pretty dismal (read:
>>> nonexistent).
>>>
>>> A couple of things I think we can start doing:
>>> - Ask on the intercom who is coming in
>>> - Remove a public QR code by the front door
>>> - Make sure the "key" page on pony is properly rotating its keys (it
>>> seems to have stopped)
>>> - Repair / replace the lock on the door from the stairwell and/or
> elevator
>>> gate
>>>
>>> What other things can we do to make sure we're not just letting in
>>> total strangers without greeting them first?
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>>
>>
>>
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