[Noisebridge-discuss] I apologize for the length of this email (NON-INJURY) Assulted by Justin at Noisebridge
Robert Chu
robertayoungchu at gmail.com
Sat Dec 24 15:07:28 UTC 2011
Hello Noisebridge Community,
I am writing this email to inform everybody that I was assaulted at
Noisebridge. First and foremost this was not an extreme case and did not
involve any injury.
Miloh, Justin, a couple of other people from OccupySF (Skud, and another
who's name escapes me), and myself were cleaning until the morning hours of
~4:00am. I think this was on Wednesday morning (but need to double check
for the exact day). Sometime after (don't know the exact length of time
that transpired), I decided it would be a good thing to take a nap for
about an hour (because I only slept 11 hours in the past 72 prior due to
finishing up the walls in the main hall; mudding, sanding, cleaning, and
painting.)
At this time the multi-colored couch was adjacent to the Alan Turning class
room wall (across from the Cafe area). Before I decided to crash out on the
couch, I had ask Justin (who was siting at the cafe table facing the main
area) if he could wake me up in a half hour. I don't remember the exact
words of how the conversation progressed, but some how we agreed for him to
wake me up in an hour and a half (and Justin had a friendly calm neutral
tone at this point). Then I fell asleep.
I then woke up to Justin sitting on my feet telling me to get up. For about
the first ten seconds I was confused to why he was on my feet in the first
place. Five seconds my feet started to hurt and I then asked Justin
politely and he did not get off of me. My feet then started to hurt more,
and I was still wondering why he would not comply with my request. It then
gotten to the point were I started to yell "You are hurting my feet, get
off of me." When he continued to sit on my feet I shimmed my left leg out
(as I was laying on my right side) and was cocking it back to kick him off.
(There was another person whom can discuss how the conversation went as
well.)
There was another person who was from OccupySF who heard the whole incident
and came to my aid as I was getting ready to kick Justin. He then ran and
stood infront of where Justin was sitting and specifically stated "If you
don't get off of his legs I will get you off myself." Justin then responded
by giving him permission to by saying something along "Oh yeah, go for it."
After that happened the person then picked Justin up (as he was still
sitting on my right leg and causing it pain) and started yelling at him for
not getting off of my leg. All that person did was pick Justin up off of
me, and then stood face to face with him and complained about being on my
legs in a very aggressive way. Justin then started insulting him and the
OccupySF movement. He then started being stereotypical toward the person
because he was associated with it. The person started to insult him back.
(THERE WAS NO PHYSICAL ALTERCATION BETWEEN THE TWO BESIDES THE OSF PERSON
PICKING HIM UP)
While that was going on I continued to lay on the couch as I didn't want to
have anything else to do with Justin at all. Justin then later tried
talking to me about the incident, and I told him specifically that I want
my space and don't want to talk to you. It had taken about a half hour for
him to even get to that point of understanding.
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Moving forward to the early hours of this morning... Justin approached me
to talk about the situation and I decided that enough time from the
incident has transpired to discuss it because I felt comfortable discussing
it with him.
As the conversation progressed, Justin kept trying to (what I feel was
manipulate me) into thinking he had done nothing wrong, and I was at fault.
The first thing he said was something along the lines of it was my fault
for not "'wanting to talk to him the whole day after the incident' and
'because I only wanted to talk to him on my terms'. Well yes there is a
very valid reason why I didn't want to talk to him and only wanted to when
I felt comfortable.
As the conversation progress, he then tried to state that I didn't give him
a chance for his defense. I then informed him that what he did was wrong:
I'd asked him nicely numerous times to get off of me (until I started
Yelling at him), and that it had taken somebody else who came to my aid to
remove him from me. (If he didn't get picked up by that other person, I
would have kicked him hard).
The conversation then had gotten to the point where I didn't want to talk
to him anymore because of this (what I feel) is a B.S guilt trip to make me
feel bad. I then tried to clarify it in a very clear way to him: "You woke
me up laying on my feet; I asked you to get off kindly for about 30
seconds; it then had taken somebody else to remove you; if he didn't I
would have kicked you as my foot was cocked; you don't have a defense for
that. He then kept trying to go on about his defense or and trying to say
he is trying to understand how I feel.
I then started to scream loudly to get the attention of John Ellis to
intervene. I stated specifically "I don't want to talk to you any more, you
assaulted me. If you want to discuss this further, then I will discuss it
at this Tuesday night community meeting." He then said something along the
lines of I can't believe you are blowing it up this big; you are blowing
this up. I am not going to discuss it this Tuesday. I then told him that it
is not being blown up because you don't understand what you did was wrong.
I then even said I do not want to talk to you right now, and he kept
talking to me.
I then stated that if you want to talk to me it will be through a third
person (as I didn't and still don't want any direct contact with him). He
still kept talking to me as I specified I did not want to talk to him (in
addition I also told him that he was being really UNEXCELLENT to continue
on) then John Ellis came out and understood my what I was saying "I don't
want to talk to him", and then recommended he stop talking to me. It had
taken about five minutes of John's presents for him to finally stop talking
to me.
He then walked toward the door and said that "Why am I surrounding myself
around people who bring me down, and I should think about that as well."
then left.
MY THOUGHTS ON THE AFTERMATH OF THE WHOLE SITUATION
- I didn't want to spend time interacting or interfacing with Justin
because I felt uncomfortable.
- The reason why I wanted to talk about it tonight was because I didn't
think just would give me this trollie-sudo-manipulitave-trying to make me
out as a bad person-guilt trip, and we could talk about how I was feeling
when he was laying on me.
- Also to reiterate to him that what he did was Assault and was illegal
(after the incident; I even told him to look it up).
- I am sick of violence will do the following if I feel assaulted (and
encourage others to do the same) let other people know in the immediate
area, contact the community. Also call the police if it becomes an
emergency.
- I do hang out with people who bring me up. There is nothing that I find
negative that I find about the Noisebridge community, except for Justin's
actions, and one other person's (name withheld) possible actions. Almost
everybody in the Noisebridge community has brought my spirits up in some
way or another, and I only hope to do the same.
- I would feel okay with talking to somebody about this incident as well
i.e. Miloh, Danny, Liz, Mitch, etc.
- It is okay for Justin to still hangout at Noisebridge as long as he
doesn't try to discuss anything with me directly. I can be in the space
with him without engaging him and vis versa.
In addition, I do apologize for the length of this email and feel that
every word needed to be typed.
- And now back to fixing my Ubuntu / Macbook that crashed
Good morning
robertayoungchu at gmail.com
-- Rayc
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