[Noisebridge-discuss] personal computers at Noisebridge (was Re: Missing Green Bike /w Red Grips.)

[jim]

    i don't see why it matters if a majority thinks whatever, 
we use consensus so's to avoid "tyranny of the majority." 

    i myself don't see a problem with having personal desktops 
in classrooms, i.e. i think it's fine. if it turns out later 
that there's a problem, we'll likely solve the problem per 
the dynamics of the situation. 

    (again) i don't see in this thread any claim that isky's 
computer has caused some problem with anyone's activities. 
the only squawking seems to be coming from people who are 
concerned with some kind of policy or rule about not having 
a desktop computer (not seeing isky clean things, disapproval 
about isky playing games...). 
    once again i beg you, please let this drop. if you have 
to get stuff off your chest, well, okay, but sheesh! 




On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 10:55 -0800, Albert Sweigart wrote:
> Not to change the topic too much, but I think this thread could also
> quickly end if we could say, "the majority of members feel that
> personal desktops in the classrooms are fine". But I don't know
> whether this is the case or not because most people (perhaps wisely)
> stay off the discuss mailing list. Among them are a couple other names
> I could add to Patrick's list.
> 
> -Al
> 
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Based solely on this thread, the people bothered by Isky squatting his
> > personal gaming computer in the classroom seems as follows:
> > myself, Al, Andy, Shannon, Josh
> >
> > All those people, myself included, I can state with confidence genuinely
> > have the best interest of Noisebridge at heart.  Whether it
> > inconveniences anybody or not, that particular space in the public
> > classroom could be put to better use than Isky's personal gaming
> > computer.  Isky's having his personal gaming computer in that space
> > prevents any other potential use for that space.
> >
> > I consider Isky a friend.  However, I can't honestly say with confidence
> > that Isky has the best interest of Noisebridge at heart.  I think Isky's
> > concern is nothing more than Isky and for Isky to have a neighborhood
> > clubhouse where he can keep his gaming computer, take couchsurfers, and
> > that's within walking distance from his place.
> >
> > If Isky genuinely cared about Noisebridge, he could've ended this thread
> > a long time ago by saying "I found my gaming computer.  I'm taking the
> > hint and taking the computer home."
> >
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/4/2011 9:37 AM, jim wrote:
> >>
> >>      please drop this or explain what bad thing is happening
> >> to whom.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 01:25 -0800, Albert Sweigart wrote:
> >>> * Isky isn't on trial. Some people have a problem with his behavior
> >>> and are discussing it on the email list. That's all.
> >>>
> >>> * This is specifically about Isky, and specifically about him keeping
> >>> his desktop in the Turing classroom on a long term basis.
> >>>
> >>> * Personally, I think if the membership came together, decided if
> >>> keeping personal desktops in the classrooms was excellent behavior or
> >>> not with everyone having an equal say, and then wrote this decision
> >>> down, we could avoid a lot of drama. Otherwise this email thread will
> >>> continue until everyone is emotionally drained, nothing will be
> >>> resolved, and this or a problem like it will flare up again in a few
> >>> months.
> >>>
> >>> -Al
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Praveen Sinha<dmhomee at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>> Urgh... I can't beleive I'm getting sucked in to drama, but...
> >>>>
> >>>> Seriously is Isky on trial or something?  Is he Mubarak?   If we are talking
> >>>> about Isky in a huge email drama thread, then who else are we going to talk
> >>>> about next???   Noisebridge is and should be an open space for people to
> >>>> interact in their own ways.  I realize that people are coming forward to
> >>>> defend him, but he shouldn't /have/ to be defended.
> >>>>
> >>>> Shunning people from noisebridge because the don't fit a social mold will
> >>>> only ensure the alienation of the best and brightest.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Josh Myer<josh at joshisanerd.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:47 PM, jim<jim at well.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     isky shares his computer with others, and seems to
> >>>>>> me pretty freely.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We don't have rules, but it seems like the general pattern in the past has
> >>>>> been "Keep your stuff on your shelf, or, if it doesn't fit on your shelf,
> >>>>> label it."  A shuttle PC will fit on a shelf, easily.
> >>>>> It seems like there's another underlying issue people are skirting around,
> >>>>> which is that Isky is constantly at the space, and rarely seems to be doing
> >>>>> anything beyond hanging out.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Josh Myer 415.230.9791<-- NOTE: New number!
> >>>>>   josh at joshisanerd.com
> >>>>>
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