[Noisebridge-discuss] personal computers at Noisebridge (was Re: Missing Green Bike /w Red Grips.)

Fri Feb 4 22:46:13 UTC 2011

Andy gave reasons in the first email of this thread. The
counter-points and counter-counter-points and so on have been
discussed after that.

-Al

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:31 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
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>    i don't see why it matters if a majority thinks whatever,
> we use consensus so's to avoid "tyranny of the majority."
>
>    i myself don't see a problem with having personal desktops
> in classrooms, i.e. i think it's fine. if it turns out later
> that there's a problem, we'll likely solve the problem per
> the dynamics of the situation.
>
>    (again) i don't see in this thread any claim that isky's
> computer has caused some problem with anyone's activities.
> the only squawking seems to be coming from people who are
> concerned with some kind of policy or rule about not having
> a desktop computer (not seeing isky clean things, disapproval
> about isky playing games...).
>    once again i beg you, please let this drop. if you have
> to get stuff off your chest, well, okay, but sheesh!
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 10:55 -0800, Albert Sweigart wrote:
>> Not to change the topic too much, but I think this thread could also
>> quickly end if we could say, "the majority of members feel that
>> personal desktops in the classrooms are fine". But I don't know
>> whether this is the case or not because most people (perhaps wisely)
>> stay off the discuss mailing list. Among them are a couple other names
>> I could add to Patrick's list.
>>
>> -Al
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Based solely on this thread, the people bothered by Isky squatting his
>> > personal gaming computer in the classroom seems as follows:
>> > myself, Al, Andy, Shannon, Josh
>> >
>> > All those people, myself included, I can state with confidence genuinely
>> > have the best interest of Noisebridge at heart.  Whether it
>> > inconveniences anybody or not, that particular space in the public
>> > classroom could be put to better use than Isky's personal gaming
>> > computer.  Isky's having his personal gaming computer in that space
>> > prevents any other potential use for that space.
>> >
>> > I consider Isky a friend.  However, I can't honestly say with confidence
>> > that Isky has the best interest of Noisebridge at heart.  I think Isky's
>> > concern is nothing more than Isky and for Isky to have a neighborhood
>> > clubhouse where he can keep his gaming computer, take couchsurfers, and
>> > that's within walking distance from his place.
>> >
>> > If Isky genuinely cared about Noisebridge, he could've ended this thread
>> > a long time ago by saying "I found my gaming computer.  I'm taking the
>> > hint and taking the computer home."
>> >
>> >
>> > Patrick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2/4/2011 9:37 AM, jim wrote:
>> >>
>> >>      please drop this or explain what bad thing is happening
>> >> to whom.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 01:25 -0800, Albert Sweigart wrote:
>> >>> * Isky isn't on trial. Some people have a problem with his behavior
>> >>> and are discussing it on the email list. That's all.
>> >>>
>> >>> * This is specifically about Isky, and specifically about him keeping
>> >>> his desktop in the Turing classroom on a long term basis.
>> >>>
>> >>> * Personally, I think if the membership came together, decided if
>> >>> keeping personal desktops in the classrooms was excellent behavior or
>> >>> not with everyone having an equal say, and then wrote this decision
>> >>> down, we could avoid a lot of drama. Otherwise this email thread will
>> >>> continue until everyone is emotionally drained, nothing will be
>> >>> resolved, and this or a problem like it will flare up again in a few
>> >>> months.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Al
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Praveen Sinha<dmhomee at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> >>>> Urgh... I can't beleive I'm getting sucked in to drama, but...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Seriously is Isky on trial or something?  Is he Mubarak?   If we are talking
>> >>>> about Isky in a huge email drama thread, then who else are we going to talk
>> >>>> about next???   Noisebridge is and should be an open space for people to
>> >>>> interact in their own ways.  I realize that people are coming forward to
>> >>>> defend him, but he shouldn't /have/ to be defended.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Shunning people from noisebridge because the don't fit a social mold will
>> >>>> only ensure the alienation of the best and brightest.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Josh Myer<josh at joshisanerd.com>  wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:47 PM, jim<jim at well.com>  wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>     isky shares his computer with others, and seems to
>> >>>>>> me pretty freely.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We don't have rules, but it seems like the general pattern in the past has
>> >>>>> been "Keep your stuff on your shelf, or, if it doesn't fit on your shelf,
>> >>>>> label it."  A shuttle PC will fit on a shelf, easily.
>> >>>>> It seems like there's another underlying issue people are skirting around,
>> >>>>> which is that Isky is constantly at the space, and rarely seems to be doing
>> >>>>> anything beyond hanging out.
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Josh Myer 415.230.9791<-- NOTE: New number!
>> >>>>>   josh at joshisanerd.com
>> >>>>>
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