[Noisebridge-discuss] personal computers at Noisebridge (was Re: Missing Green Bike /w Red Grips.)

[jim]

i don't recall andy complaining that isky's computer 
was affecting the things he's doing. 


On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 14:46 -0800, Albert Sweigart wrote:
> Andy gave reasons in the first email of this thread. The
> counter-points and counter-counter-points and so on have been
> discussed after that.
> 
> -Al
> 
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:31 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >    i don't see why it matters if a majority thinks whatever,
> > we use consensus so's to avoid "tyranny of the majority."
> >
> >    i myself don't see a problem with having personal desktops
> > in classrooms, i.e. i think it's fine. if it turns out later
> > that there's a problem, we'll likely solve the problem per
> > the dynamics of the situation.
> >
> >    (again) i don't see in this thread any claim that isky's
> > computer has caused some problem with anyone's activities.
> > the only squawking seems to be coming from people who are
> > concerned with some kind of policy or rule about not having
> > a desktop computer (not seeing isky clean things, disapproval
> > about isky playing games...).
> >    once again i beg you, please let this drop. if you have
> > to get stuff off your chest, well, okay, but sheesh!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 10:55 -0800, Albert Sweigart wrote:
> >> Not to change the topic too much, but I think this thread could also
> >> quickly end if we could say, "the majority of members feel that
> >> personal desktops in the classrooms are fine". But I don't know
> >> whether this is the case or not because most people (perhaps wisely)
> >> stay off the discuss mailing list. Among them are a couple other names
> >> I could add to Patrick's list.
> >>
> >> -Al
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Based solely on this thread, the people bothered by Isky squatting his
> >> > personal gaming computer in the classroom seems as follows:
> >> > myself, Al, Andy, Shannon, Josh
> >> >
> >> > All those people, myself included, I can state with confidence genuinely
> >> > have the best interest of Noisebridge at heart.  Whether it
> >> > inconveniences anybody or not, that particular space in the public
> >> > classroom could be put to better use than Isky's personal gaming
> >> > computer.  Isky's having his personal gaming computer in that space
> >> > prevents any other potential use for that space.
> >> >
> >> > I consider Isky a friend.  However, I can't honestly say with confidence
> >> > that Isky has the best interest of Noisebridge at heart.  I think Isky's
> >> > concern is nothing more than Isky and for Isky to have a neighborhood
> >> > clubhouse where he can keep his gaming computer, take couchsurfers, and
> >> > that's within walking distance from his place.
> >> >
> >> > If Isky genuinely cared about Noisebridge, he could've ended this thread
> >> > a long time ago by saying "I found my gaming computer.  I'm taking the
> >> > hint and taking the computer home."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Patrick
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 2/4/2011 9:37 AM, jim wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>      please drop this or explain what bad thing is happening
> >> >> to whom.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 01:25 -0800, Albert Sweigart wrote:
> >> >>> * Isky isn't on trial. Some people have a problem with his behavior
> >> >>> and are discussing it on the email list. That's all.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> * This is specifically about Isky, and specifically about him keeping
> >> >>> his desktop in the Turing classroom on a long term basis.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> * Personally, I think if the membership came together, decided if
> >> >>> keeping personal desktops in the classrooms was excellent behavior or
> >> >>> not with everyone having an equal say, and then wrote this decision
> >> >>> down, we could avoid a lot of drama. Otherwise this email thread will
> >> >>> continue until everyone is emotionally drained, nothing will be
> >> >>> resolved, and this or a problem like it will flare up again in a few
> >> >>> months.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Al
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Praveen Sinha<dmhomee at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> >>>> Urgh... I can't beleive I'm getting sucked in to drama, but...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Seriously is Isky on trial or something?  Is he Mubarak?   If we are talking
> >> >>>> about Isky in a huge email drama thread, then who else are we going to talk
> >> >>>> about next???   Noisebridge is and should be an open space for people to
> >> >>>> interact in their own ways.  I realize that people are coming forward to
> >> >>>> defend him, but he shouldn't /have/ to be defended.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Shunning people from noisebridge because the don't fit a social mold will
> >> >>>> only ensure the alienation of the best and brightest.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Josh Myer<josh at joshisanerd.com>  wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:47 PM, jim<jim at well.com>  wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>     isky shares his computer with others, and seems to
> >> >>>>>> me pretty freely.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> We don't have rules, but it seems like the general pattern in the past has
> >> >>>>> been "Keep your stuff on your shelf, or, if it doesn't fit on your shelf,
> >> >>>>> label it."  A shuttle PC will fit on a shelf, easily.
> >> >>>>> It seems like there's another underlying issue people are skirting around,
> >> >>>>> which is that Isky is constantly at the space, and rarely seems to be doing
> >> >>>>> anything beyond hanging out.
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> Josh Myer 415.230.9791<-- NOTE: New number!
> >> >>>>>   josh at joshisanerd.com
> >> >>>>>
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