[Noisebridge-discuss] Practical Politics

Tue Feb 8 18:18:39 UTC 2011

For what values of functional?  :)  I've been in plenty of horrible
horrible lefty meetups that I guess get work done but at a high
price...

I also have a laundry list of what /doesn't/ work with consensus...

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
> I would like to hear about the experiences of those who have
> participated in functional consensus processes.  I'd like to ask
> questions, I'm sure.  I think lightning-talk style would work for this,
> but so would other formats.
>
> Jared Dunne wrote:
>> Great it sounds like we have enough to make it happen for Friday at 6
>> (sharpish).  I'll send out a reminder/announcement to discuss later
>> this week and announce it at the Tuesday meeting tomorrow.
>>
>> As to Shannon's question on format.... What do you all think?
>>
>>> Do we just want to have a round-table discussion, or do we want to have some sort of structure?
>>
>> I'm inclined to leave it open and let the meeting organically take
>> whatever direction we decide on then.  I'd be happy to facilitate the
>> meeting using consensus to guide us.  For example, I'd propose that we
>> devote some time to discussing and consensing on what people would
>> like to see come out of our meetup, if we want it to be reoccurring,
>> etc.  I'd like to share my past consensus experiences but that can be
>> done in either lightning-talk or round table format.  Do others have
>> consensus rants or raves that they'd like to share for kicking us off
>> on Friday?
>>
>> Jared-
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>>> I'll be there at 6.
>>>
>>> Rachel
>>>
>>> jim wrote:
>>>>     okay. i'm hoping we can start right at 6 PM
>>>> (and summarize maybe every thirty minutes for
>>>> those who arrive late as well as those who miss
>>>> the points of what's said).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 20:45 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>> Hi All-
>>>>>
>>>>> So shall we aim to have the Consensus Hacking meetup on this Friday at
>>>>> 6pm until 7:30?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to set a date/time before Tuesday so it can be announced at
>>>>> the Tuesday Weekly Meeting and such...
>>>>>
>>>>> Jared-
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>>>>>    i've got a thing at noisebridge fridays from
>>>>>> 12:30 to 6 PM. i can probably take time away from
>>>>>> it. immediately after 6 also could work okay for
>>>>>> me, usually.
>>>>>> jim
>>>>>> 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 13:33 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>>>> I can do a Friday evening, earlier the better IMHO.  Weekends are
>>>>>>> normally very socially busy but I can make time if that's the only
>>>>>>> time that we can all meet, if so afternoons would be best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jared-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What would people think of a Friday evening instead?  I try to go to Ace
>>>>>>>> Monster Toys' meeting on Thursdays (in the East Bay).  I could also make
>>>>>>>> a weekend time, except Sunday evening.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rachel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think there is sufficient interest in organizing a Consensus
>>>>>>>>> discussion.  Let's proceed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When would be good to hold it?  Would next Thursday evening sometime
>>>>>>>>> work?  My thinking being: Mon-Wed evenings are so busy at NB.  If we
>>>>>>>>> hold it next week, we can announce it at the general meeting to get
>>>>>>>>> more people into the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know when would be ideal for you...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jared-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to come to a discussion group on the consensus process.  Please
>>>>>>>>>> facilitate this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rachel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone else interested in something like what Shannon proposed?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus process; I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods.  Anybody have experience with consensus process outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we did it at X"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how Noisebridge works"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  (I think we should have at least three of the "How Noisebridge Works"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd really like to see something happen even if its simply an informal
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion about Consensus at Noisebridge past, present, future.  It
>>>>>>>>>>> would be nice to get together everyone who wants to do some Consensus
>>>>>>>>>>> Hacking to chat it out in more depth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to organize or facilitate something if there is
>>>>>>>>>>> sufficient interest.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> j-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jared Dunne <jareddunne at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon-
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.  I've used Consensus before in some anti-war groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'd be happy to talk briefly about that experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for Autonomous action (do-acracy as NB calls it), but when
>>>>>>>>>>>> using consensus to work together we can do more than we can acting
>>>>>>>>>>>> autonomously as individuals.  It's strange that consensus seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> feared and avoided at NB.  I'm newish here so hearing someone give a
>>>>>>>>>>>> talk on NB's experience with Consensus would be great to understand
>>>>>>>>>>>> more about why that's the case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on when you schedule this... and if I can get a chance to
>>>>>>>>>>>> re-read that handbook I donated...  I could give an overview of some
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the key insights it adds to the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jared-
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resurrect an old thread with new information, Jared bought us a copy of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Consensus: A New Handbook for Grassroots Social, Political, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Environmental Groups" by Peter Gelderloos
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-January/020237.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus process; I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods.  Anybody have experience with consensus process outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we did it at X"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how Noisebridge works"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  (I think we should have at least three of the "How Noisebridge Works"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --S
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realized in watching the last couple of threads that there are people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here who know a *lot* about running anarchist and consensus organizations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would any of you be willing to put together a reading list, or possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold a symposium of some sort, on how this stuff works, and how it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to work?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --S
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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