[Noisebridge-discuss] Practical Politics

Tue Feb 8 19:05:41 UTC 2011

I'll volunteer to take notes.

-Al

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
> For what values of functional?  :)  I've been in plenty of horrible
> horrible lefty meetups that I guess get work done but at a high
> price...
>
> I also have a laundry list of what /doesn't/ work with consensus...
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>> I would like to hear about the experiences of those who have
>> participated in functional consensus processes.  I'd like to ask
>> questions, I'm sure.  I think lightning-talk style would work for this,
>> but so would other formats.
>>
>> Jared Dunne wrote:
>>> Great it sounds like we have enough to make it happen for Friday at 6
>>> (sharpish).  I'll send out a reminder/announcement to discuss later
>>> this week and announce it at the Tuesday meeting tomorrow.
>>>
>>> As to Shannon's question on format.... What do you all think?
>>>
>>>> Do we just want to have a round-table discussion, or do we want to have some sort of structure?
>>>
>>> I'm inclined to leave it open and let the meeting organically take
>>> whatever direction we decide on then.  I'd be happy to facilitate the
>>> meeting using consensus to guide us.  For example, I'd propose that we
>>> devote some time to discussing and consensing on what people would
>>> like to see come out of our meetup, if we want it to be reoccurring,
>>> etc.  I'd like to share my past consensus experiences but that can be
>>> done in either lightning-talk or round table format.  Do others have
>>> consensus rants or raves that they'd like to share for kicking us off
>>> on Friday?
>>>
>>> Jared-
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>>>> I'll be there at 6.
>>>>
>>>> Rachel
>>>>
>>>> jim wrote:
>>>>>     okay. i'm hoping we can start right at 6 PM
>>>>> (and summarize maybe every thirty minutes for
>>>>> those who arrive late as well as those who miss
>>>>> the points of what's said).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 20:45 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>>> Hi All-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So shall we aim to have the Consensus Hacking meetup on this Friday at
>>>>>> 6pm until 7:30?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to set a date/time before Tuesday so it can be announced at
>>>>>> the Tuesday Weekly Meeting and such...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jared-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>    i've got a thing at noisebridge fridays from
>>>>>>> 12:30 to 6 PM. i can probably take time away from
>>>>>>> it. immediately after 6 also could work okay for
>>>>>>> me, usually.
>>>>>>> jim
>>>>>>> 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 13:33 -0800, Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>>>>> I can do a Friday evening, earlier the better IMHO.  Weekends are
>>>>>>>> normally very socially busy but I can make time if that's the only
>>>>>>>> time that we can all meet, if so afternoons would be best.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jared-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What would people think of a Friday evening instead?  I try to go to Ace
>>>>>>>>> Monster Toys' meeting on Thursdays (in the East Bay).  I could also make
>>>>>>>>> a weekend time, except Sunday evening.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rachel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I think there is sufficient interest in organizing a Consensus
>>>>>>>>>> discussion.  Let's proceed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When would be good to hold it?  Would next Thursday evening sometime
>>>>>>>>>> work?  My thinking being: Mon-Wed evenings are so busy at NB.  If we
>>>>>>>>>> hold it next week, we can announce it at the general meeting to get
>>>>>>>>>> more people into the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know when would be ideal for you...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jared-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to come to a discussion group on the consensus process.  Please
>>>>>>>>>>> facilitate this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rachel
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jared Dunne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone else interested in something like what Shannon proposed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus process; I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods.  Anybody have experience with consensus process outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we did it at X"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how Noisebridge works"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  (I think we should have at least three of the "How Noisebridge Works"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd really like to see something happen even if its simply an informal
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion about Consensus at Noisebridge past, present, future.  It
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be nice to get together everyone who wants to do some Consensus
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hacking to chat it out in more depth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to organize or facilitate something if there is
>>>>>>>>>>>> sufficient interest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> j-
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jared Dunne <jareddunne at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea.  I've used Consensus before in some anti-war groups.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I'd be happy to talk briefly about that experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for Autonomous action (do-acracy as NB calls it), but when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using consensus to work together we can do more than we can acting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> autonomously as individuals.  It's strange that consensus seems to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feared and avoided at NB.  I'm newish here so hearing someone give a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk on NB's experience with Consensus would be great to understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more about why that's the case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on when you schedule this... and if I can get a chance to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-read that handbook I donated...  I could give an overview of some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the key insights it adds to the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jared-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resurrect an old thread with new information, Jared bought us a copy of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Consensus: A New Handbook for Grassroots Social, Political, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Environmental Groups" by Peter Gelderloos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-January/020237.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd still like to do a seminar-style class-thing on Consensus process; I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagining it as a set of lightning talks interspersed with Q&A and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion periods.  Anybody have experience with consensus process outside
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Noisebridge who is willing to give a five-minute "how we did it at X"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  Anybody want to try giving the five-minute "how Noisebridge works"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk?  (I think we should have at least three of the "How Noisebridge Works"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks from three people with different perspectives...)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --S
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I realized in watching the last couple of threads that there are people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here who know a *lot* about running anarchist and consensus organizations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would any of you be willing to put together a reading list, or possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold a symposium of some sort, on how this stuff works, and how it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to work?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --S
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Lee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (503) 539-3700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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