[Noisebridge-discuss] Meeting Notes for Feb. 8, 2011

Tue Feb 15 22:27:22 UTC 2011

The guideline is that anything that requires a formal consensus needs to be
brought up and discussed a week in advance -- in other words, that we do not
formally consense on something the same week it's introduced as an item to
be consensed on.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com>wrote:

> This came up at last Friday's consensus meeting...
>
> * Apparently, the guideline is that the agenda for the weekly meeting
> should be posted a full week in advance, if nothing else so that any
> stakeholder in a potential consensus item knows to show up.
>
> * However, in practice, much is brought up spontaneously at the meeting.
>  Therefore, anything brought up spontaneously should not be decided and
> left for a decision the following week.
>
> * Also, a better set of guidelines for past meeting note would result in
> a more consistent archive of meeting notes.  Also, if the reasoning for
> any consensus decisions were contained in the meeting notes then
> everybody would have a reliable place to understand how decisions were
> made.
>
> * There is now a meeting notes archive page that I'm still working on,
> which will eventually have more columns for consensus items, new members
> that were consensed, etc...
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_Archive
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On 2/15/2011 8:02 AM, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
> > Thanks for taking the notes! I know we've talked about creating
> > guidelines for this, have we ever?
> > For example, it would be cool if the new member names consistently made
> > it into the notes so people could know who we'll be consensing on in the
> > coming weeks.
> >
> > mediumreality.com <http://mediumreality.com>
> >
> > On Feb 14, 2011 12:13 AM, "Seth David Schoen" <schoen at loyalty.org
> > <mailto:schoen at loyalty.org>> wrote:
> >  > Sorry for the delay. These are now posted at
> >  >
> >  > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2011_02_08
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > ==Meeting notes for February 8, 2011 general meeting==
> >  >
> >  > A Noisebridge meeting! Started at 20:30.
> >  >
> >  > What Noisebridge is!
> >  >
> >  > Moderator: Al
> >  >
> >  > Notetaker: Seth
> >  >
> >  > ===Introductions===
> >  >
> >  > Hi everybody.
> >  >
> >  > ===Consensus process===
> >  >
> >  > ===Announcements===
> >  >
> >  > On Friday 2011-02-11T18:00 there will be a meeting of people who
> >  > are interested in learning more about consensus or improving
> >  > their participation in the consensus process or the process
> >  > itself.
> >  >
> >  > ===Recurring events===
> >  >
> >  > Apart from the ones listed on the web page,
> >  >
> >  > * Be the Hack is meeting on Tuesdays right before the general meeting.
> >  > * Note upcoming 5mof on 2010-02-17!
> >  >
> >  > ===Consensus items===
> >  >
> >  > ====Stickers====
> >  >
> >  > Mitch making stickers -- Noisebridge to pay.
> >  >
> >  > Mitch describes the various sizes of vinyl stickers that he can have
> > made with Jakprints $825 (the one we've been using before) or Sticker
> > Giant $775 (one that Josh recommended). This does not include shipping.
> >  >
> >  > We will get them in two sizes and in both black and white and black
> > and red. Black and white was originally a mistake, but people continue
> > to like them.
> >  >
> >  > Q. What is the state of our treasury? Can we afford it?
> >  >
> >  > A. We will ask the treasurer.
> >  >
> >  > Treasurer. Yes, we can. We will still be above our three months'
> >  > expenses in the bank. Our finances are currently stable again.
> >  >
> >  > Mitch will purchase the stickers from Sticker Giant this time.
> >  >
> >  > Consensus item is approved.
> >  >
> >  > ===Treasurer's Report===
> >  >
> >  > Bank balance is $17,750.78. We have paid rent for February but not
> > for March.
> >  >
> >  > Donations are higher than they were in the fall, though not as high
> > as right when Shannon first publicized that we were having financial
> > trouble. However, income still remains higher than expenses.
> >  >
> >  > ===Discussion items===
> >  >
> >  > ====Cleaning====
> >  >
> >  > Proposal: Noisebridge should buy a vacuum cleaner. We have a shopvac
> > but it's too loud.
> >  >
> >  > Seth: Can I play
> > [http://www.jonathancoulton.com/wiki/index.php/Shop_Vac the song]?
> >  >
> >  > Other people: No.
> >  >
> >  > Proposal: We should get a professional-type backpack-style $300 HEPA
> > vacuum.
> >  >
> >  > - We should keep financial discipline by not spending our funds on
> > everything.
> >  >
> >  > - Can't we buy a $30 vacuum on Craigslist?
> >  >
> >  > - Wouldn't it be easier to ask for a donated vacuum cleaner?
> >  >
> >  > - We can hack the vacuum cleaner into a backpack.
> >  >
> >  > - But it wouldn't have a HEPA filter.
> >  >
> >  > - We can find working vacuum cleaners on the street.
> >  >
> >  > Suggestion: Mitch will try to find one on the street and Rachel will
> > hack it.
> >  >
> >  > - According to Danny's survey, people complain about the space being
> > dirty much more than they complain about mailing list drama or anything
> > else.
> >  >
> >  > - But we have brooms already!
> >  >
> >  > - A vacuum cleaner might lower the barrier to cleaning compared to a
> > broom, because it's more fun.
> >  >
> >  > Q. What about putting a broom in a backpack?
> >  >
> >  > - Buying the vacuum cleaner would cost money but it would make
> > cleaning more appealing.
> >  >
> >  > Q. Let's ask the treasurer whether we can afford this expense!
> >  >
> >  > Treasurer: Yes, we could afford this now. But given that expense, why
> > don't we hire instead hire a cleaning service that already has one of
> these?
> >  >
> >  > Discussion about the idea of hiring a cleaning service. This might be
> > expensive because of the size of the space.
> >  >
> >  > - Buying a vacuum is a one-time expense, unlike hiring a cleaning
> > service which is a recurring expense.
> >  >
> >  > Treasurer: Buying a vacuum is obviously cheaper than hiring someone
> > but maybe we shouldn't buy a vacuum if we hire someone.
> >  >
> >  > - We were discussing hiring someone to clean the bathroom only, but
> > we haven't agreed on this yet.
> >  >
> >  > - Perhaps we should buy a cheap vacuum and see whether people use it.
> >  >
> >  > - We should get quotes about what cleaning services would charge.
> >  >
> >  > Q. How much would people be comfortable spending on a cleaning
> service?
> >  >
> >  > - We could get a machine that wet-cleans the floor rather than just a
> > vacuum.
> >  >
> >  > - If it were clean, maybe more people would join and more people
> > would use the space. This might actually make up for the extra expense.
> >  >
> >  > - Danny's poll didn't actually ask whether people would use the space
> > more or differently based on cleanliness. We just know that it's the
> > most common complaint.
> >  >
> >  > - There may be a baseline amount of effort going into cleaning the
> > space which could go into other kinds of improvements to the space, like
> > organization. This would be great.
> >  >
> >  > Q. Roomba?
> >  >
> >  > - People would turn them into killer robots. (NB: the
> > [
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IRobot#Military_and_policing_robots
> > company that makes Roombas actually makes military robots too]!)
> >  >
> >  > - Also, we probably have too much stuff for a Roomba.
> >  >
> >  > - We just discovered that we actually DO have a vacuum already!
> >  >
> >  > - The problem may be the clutter, not the cleanliness. If only we had
> > a larger space, it would be less cluttered because we would have more
> > places for things.
> >  >
> >  > - It's not clear how the cleaning would affect the organization.
> > There are rival theories.
> >  >
> >  > Q. Does anyone want to get quotes?
> >  >
> >  > - Andy did already or said he would be willing to. Claudia has a
> > contact with a housekeeper and Andy has a contact with a commercial
> > office cleaning service.
> >  >
> >  > - We should label more things in terms of their purpose and destiny.
> >  >
> >  > - We could get a truck and take some stuff away.
> >  >
> >  > Q. What about the nerf guns? How can we decide on whether to get rid
> > of things?
> >  >
> >  > - The consensus process may not be the right way to decide on
> > individual items.
> >  >
> >  > - Shannon is forming a "hitting crap with a hammer" committee
> > (consisting only of himself). If your stuff looks like junk, you should
> > make it look less like junk so he won't hit it with a hammer.
> >  >
> >  > - Excellence vs. do-ocracy. It would be better to photograph things
> > and write to the list about them before throwing them away.
> >  >
> >  > - Throwing away the stuff in the trash room!
> >  >
> >  > - Webcam in the trash room!?
> >  >
> >  > - The trash room could be a staging area for things that will
> > (actually) be thrown away!
> >  >
> >  > Treasurer: Taking things to the dump incurs monetary expenses, as
> > doing renting trucks. Hopefully people will donate those expenses when
> > they rent them. However, if things get carted to the dump Noisebridge
> > will reimburse them for the dump fee.
> >  >
> >  > Shannon will reimburse them for the truck rental fee for this purpose.
> >  >
> >  > ====Turing====
> >  >
> >  > Shannon wants to talk about Turing (the room) after the meeting.
> >  >
> >  > ===Membership binder===
> >  >
> >  > Names were read.
> >  >
> >  > Meeting ended at 21:30.
> >  >
> >  > --
> >  > Seth David Schoen <schoen at loyalty.org <mailto:schoen at loyalty.org>> |
> > Qué empresa fácil no pensar en
> >  > http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | un tigre, reflexioné.
> >  > http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | -- Borges, El Zahir
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