[Noisebridge-discuss] Meeting Notes for Feb. 8, 2011
Jared Dunne
jareddunne at gmail.com
Wed Feb 16 10:43:37 UTC 2011
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j-
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick Keys <citizenkeys at gmail.com> wrote:
> This came up at last Friday's consensus meeting...
>
> * Apparently, the guideline is that the agenda for the weekly meeting
> should be posted a full week in advance, if nothing else so that any
> stakeholder in a potential consensus item knows to show up.
>
> * However, in practice, much is brought up spontaneously at the meeting.
> Therefore, anything brought up spontaneously should not be decided and
> left for a decision the following week.
>
> * Also, a better set of guidelines for past meeting note would result in
> a more consistent archive of meeting notes. Also, if the reasoning for
> any consensus decisions were contained in the meeting notes then
> everybody would have a reliable place to understand how decisions were made.
>
> * There is now a meeting notes archive page that I'm still working on,
> which will eventually have more columns for consensus items, new members
> that were consensed, etc...
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_Archive
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On 2/15/2011 8:02 AM, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
>> Thanks for taking the notes! I know we've talked about creating
>> guidelines for this, have we ever?
>> For example, it would be cool if the new member names consistently made
>> it into the notes so people could know who we'll be consensing on in the
>> coming weeks.
>>
>> mediumreality.com <http://mediumreality.com>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2011 12:13 AM, "Seth David Schoen" <schoen at loyalty.org
>> <mailto:schoen at loyalty.org>> wrote:
>> > Sorry for the delay. These are now posted at
>> >
>> > https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2011_02_08
>> >
>> >
>> > ==Meeting notes for February 8, 2011 general meeting==
>> >
>> > A Noisebridge meeting! Started at 20:30.
>> >
>> > What Noisebridge is!
>> >
>> > Moderator: Al
>> >
>> > Notetaker: Seth
>> >
>> > ===Introductions===
>> >
>> > Hi everybody.
>> >
>> > ===Consensus process===
>> >
>> > ===Announcements===
>> >
>> > On Friday 2011-02-11T18:00 there will be a meeting of people who
>> > are interested in learning more about consensus or improving
>> > their participation in the consensus process or the process
>> > itself.
>> >
>> > ===Recurring events===
>> >
>> > Apart from the ones listed on the web page,
>> >
>> > * Be the Hack is meeting on Tuesdays right before the general meeting.
>> > * Note upcoming 5mof on 2010-02-17!
>> >
>> > ===Consensus items===
>> >
>> > ====Stickers====
>> >
>> > Mitch making stickers -- Noisebridge to pay.
>> >
>> > Mitch describes the various sizes of vinyl stickers that he can have
>> made with Jakprints $825 (the one we've been using before) or Sticker
>> Giant $775 (one that Josh recommended). This does not include shipping.
>> >
>> > We will get them in two sizes and in both black and white and black
>> and red. Black and white was originally a mistake, but people continue
>> to like them.
>> >
>> > Q. What is the state of our treasury? Can we afford it?
>> >
>> > A. We will ask the treasurer.
>> >
>> > Treasurer. Yes, we can. We will still be above our three months'
>> > expenses in the bank. Our finances are currently stable again.
>> >
>> > Mitch will purchase the stickers from Sticker Giant this time.
>> >
>> > Consensus item is approved.
>> >
>> > ===Treasurer's Report===
>> >
>> > Bank balance is $17,750.78. We have paid rent for February but not
>> for March.
>> >
>> > Donations are higher than they were in the fall, though not as high
>> as right when Shannon first publicized that we were having financial
>> trouble. However, income still remains higher than expenses.
>> >
>> > ===Discussion items===
>> >
>> > ====Cleaning====
>> >
>> > Proposal: Noisebridge should buy a vacuum cleaner. We have a shopvac
>> but it's too loud.
>> >
>> > Seth: Can I play
>> [http://www.jonathancoulton.com/wiki/index.php/Shop_Vac the song]?
>> >
>> > Other people: No.
>> >
>> > Proposal: We should get a professional-type backpack-style $300 HEPA
>> vacuum.
>> >
>> > - We should keep financial discipline by not spending our funds on
>> everything.
>> >
>> > - Can't we buy a $30 vacuum on Craigslist?
>> >
>> > - Wouldn't it be easier to ask for a donated vacuum cleaner?
>> >
>> > - We can hack the vacuum cleaner into a backpack.
>> >
>> > - But it wouldn't have a HEPA filter.
>> >
>> > - We can find working vacuum cleaners on the street.
>> >
>> > Suggestion: Mitch will try to find one on the street and Rachel will
>> hack it.
>> >
>> > - According to Danny's survey, people complain about the space being
>> dirty much more than they complain about mailing list drama or anything
>> else.
>> >
>> > - But we have brooms already!
>> >
>> > - A vacuum cleaner might lower the barrier to cleaning compared to a
>> broom, because it's more fun.
>> >
>> > Q. What about putting a broom in a backpack?
>> >
>> > - Buying the vacuum cleaner would cost money but it would make
>> cleaning more appealing.
>> >
>> > Q. Let's ask the treasurer whether we can afford this expense!
>> >
>> > Treasurer: Yes, we could afford this now. But given that expense, why
>> don't we hire instead hire a cleaning service that already has one of these?
>> >
>> > Discussion about the idea of hiring a cleaning service. This might be
>> expensive because of the size of the space.
>> >
>> > - Buying a vacuum is a one-time expense, unlike hiring a cleaning
>> service which is a recurring expense.
>> >
>> > Treasurer: Buying a vacuum is obviously cheaper than hiring someone
>> but maybe we shouldn't buy a vacuum if we hire someone.
>> >
>> > - We were discussing hiring someone to clean the bathroom only, but
>> we haven't agreed on this yet.
>> >
>> > - Perhaps we should buy a cheap vacuum and see whether people use it.
>> >
>> > - We should get quotes about what cleaning services would charge.
>> >
>> > Q. How much would people be comfortable spending on a cleaning service?
>> >
>> > - We could get a machine that wet-cleans the floor rather than just a
>> vacuum.
>> >
>> > - If it were clean, maybe more people would join and more people
>> would use the space. This might actually make up for the extra expense.
>> >
>> > - Danny's poll didn't actually ask whether people would use the space
>> more or differently based on cleanliness. We just know that it's the
>> most common complaint.
>> >
>> > - There may be a baseline amount of effort going into cleaning the
>> space which could go into other kinds of improvements to the space, like
>> organization. This would be great.
>> >
>> > Q. Roomba?
>> >
>> > - People would turn them into killer robots. (NB: the
>> [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IRobot#Military_and_policing_robots
>> company that makes Roombas actually makes military robots too]!)
>> >
>> > - Also, we probably have too much stuff for a Roomba.
>> >
>> > - We just discovered that we actually DO have a vacuum already!
>> >
>> > - The problem may be the clutter, not the cleanliness. If only we had
>> a larger space, it would be less cluttered because we would have more
>> places for things.
>> >
>> > - It's not clear how the cleaning would affect the organization.
>> There are rival theories.
>> >
>> > Q. Does anyone want to get quotes?
>> >
>> > - Andy did already or said he would be willing to. Claudia has a
>> contact with a housekeeper and Andy has a contact with a commercial
>> office cleaning service.
>> >
>> > - We should label more things in terms of their purpose and destiny.
>> >
>> > - We could get a truck and take some stuff away.
>> >
>> > Q. What about the nerf guns? How can we decide on whether to get rid
>> of things?
>> >
>> > - The consensus process may not be the right way to decide on
>> individual items.
>> >
>> > - Shannon is forming a "hitting crap with a hammer" committee
>> (consisting only of himself). If your stuff looks like junk, you should
>> make it look less like junk so he won't hit it with a hammer.
>> >
>> > - Excellence vs. do-ocracy. It would be better to photograph things
>> and write to the list about them before throwing them away.
>> >
>> > - Throwing away the stuff in the trash room!
>> >
>> > - Webcam in the trash room!?
>> >
>> > - The trash room could be a staging area for things that will
>> (actually) be thrown away!
>> >
>> > Treasurer: Taking things to the dump incurs monetary expenses, as
>> doing renting trucks. Hopefully people will donate those expenses when
>> they rent them. However, if things get carted to the dump Noisebridge
>> will reimburse them for the dump fee.
>> >
>> > Shannon will reimburse them for the truck rental fee for this purpose.
>> >
>> > ====Turing====
>> >
>> > Shannon wants to talk about Turing (the room) after the meeting.
>> >
>> > ===Membership binder===
>> >
>> > Names were read.
>> >
>> > Meeting ended at 21:30.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Seth David Schoen <schoen at loyalty.org <mailto:schoen at loyalty.org>> |
>> Qué empresa fácil no pensar en
>> > http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | un tigre, reflexioné.
>> > http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | -- Borges, El Zahir
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