[Noisebridge-discuss] okay, so no lockers. just forget it.

[Jared Dunne]

Patrick-

You missed me on the support list.  I support the plan as is without
modification.  That said, I think Moxie's suggestion on how to
perceive and channel the dissenting feedback/concerns is on point.

Given the popular history of do-acracy at Noisebridge and the
parameters of this plan, it sounds like it's a candidate for
autonomous action.  Personally, that's not how I'd proceed given the
level of dissent around your plan, since it would be a huge waste of
your time and money if you acquired and installed the lockers
docractically, then someone docractically kicked them to the curb the
next day.

Personally, I think it's cool that you've sought out people's opinions
on list, but I don't think you necessarily should try to reach
consensus on this list.  If you want to reach consensus on this item,
the Tuesday meeting seems the better forum.  If people on this list
feel strongly enough about the topic they can drag their butts into
the main hall on Tuesday to participate in the formal Consensus
process.  Of course it's up to you if you want to kill the proposal
prior to doing so.

Jared-

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Moxie Marlinspike
<moxie at thoughtcrime.org> wrote:
>
> On 02/17/2011 05:19 AM, Patrick Keys wrote:
>> Here's my tally based on comments on the thread:
>> unopposed to lockers (6): jim, rachel m., john e, L E, sean, patrick
>> opposed to lockers (6): rubin, jake, claudia, leif, snail, meredith
>
> Hey Patrick, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to suggest here,
> but I think you might be missing a key concept if you think that this
> kind of quantification is at all significant.  Not to mention that it
> certainly has a tone of the lines being drawn.  Consensus is not the
> same as unanimous voting, and if you only conceptualize people in
> categories like "for" or "against," I think you're going to have trouble
> making group decisions.
>
> If this is an attempt to describe the present situation for future
> reflection, I think it would serve you much more effectively to
> enumerate the various concerns that people contributed to this
> discussion, so that in the future someone can come up with a solution
> that meets everyone's needs.
>
> This is not to mention that some number of people likely did not
> contribute to this thread (myself included), because they saw their
> concerns/interests adequately covered by comments others had already
> made, and decided not to repeat them merely for the purpose of seeing
> ourselves type.
>
> - moxie
>
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