[Noisebridge-discuss] lockers for noisebridge - big enough? funding?

[Albert Sweigart]

I don't necessarily agree on some points.

I don't see having lockers as a bad thing. Members might simply want
to have piece of mind if they store expensive/delicate equipment at NB
that it won't be moved around/broken/stolen. I don't think it's fair
to force people to trust the community (and any stranger that comes
into the space) with their personal property on the line.

As for transparency, I think that transparency is something we should
force on public institutions, not private citizens. If someone ran a
packet sniffer on NB's traffic and published it, I think there would
be unanimous objection to that. Transparency isn't something that
should be forced on people as a prereq to use the space.

Of course, if there isn't that much demand for lockers to begin with,
then the point is moot.

-Al


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> On 02/16/2011 11:15 PM, Patrick Keys wrote:
>> Leif,
>> We can't consistently accomodate new people without a better way of
>> allocating private space for their projects.  New people often don't
>> know enough people to ask others to give up their shelf space.
> Forgive me if I've missed something, but did you actually suggest a
> better or even different way of allocating "private" space, aside from
> the voluntary wiki registry idea?
>
> It sounds to me like what you're proposing is more or less a
> continuation of our current way of allocating shelves (first-come
> first-serve, and being excellent to eachother), but minus a fair bit of
> trust and (literal) transparency by using lockers instead of shelves.
> This would seem to exacerbate the problem (if there even is a problem
> allocating space, which I'm not sure there actually is) rather than
> improving it.
>
> As for new folks, needing to get to know people before they can find a
> place to store their things in the space does not seem like a bad thing,
> especially if/when we're short on room.
>
>> The lockers would be opaque.  I think everybody at Noisebridge values
>> their right of anonymity.  Not worrying about other people seeing what's
>> on your personal shelf or messing with it seems like a benefit.
> It definitely does not seem like a benefit to me. To me, a bunch of
> locked lockers creates the impression of an environment where people's
> things *would* be messed with, were it not for the locks, ironically
> creating the very worry you say it alleviates (is my lock adequately
> secure?! no).
>
> An abundance of locks creates the feeling that locks are necessary.
>
> Aside from the front door (keys to which are widely distributed), locks
> have *not* been necessary at NB thus far. And it's a good thing, too,
> because many people have come to NB specifically to learn how to pick them!
>
> ~leif
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