[Noisebridge-discuss] Patrick Key and NB Incident of 2/23/2011 notes.

Wed Feb 23 17:54:00 UTC 2011

All,

The printer is Noisebridge property. Here is the email where Patrick
explicitly states that he is donating it:
https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-February/020804.html
(The subject of the email from him is "donated new hp laserjet color
laser printer	(cp1525nw)")

I will contact him about giving the printer back.

Also, I checked with the folks at Hacker Dojo. None of them remembers
Patrick, much less Patrick getting kicked out of the space. Please put
a stop to that rumor.

Email me if you need my phone number.

-Al

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Liz Henry <liz at bookmaniac.org> wrote:
> Thanks for dealing with all that so early in the morning, and acting so
> quickly after the last couple of days of intense discussion about what
> to do.  It's impressive!  Also, count me as undersigned for the email
> about consensus to ban Patrick.
>
> I'd like to say again I think calling cops on people is for situations
> of immediate harm, threats of violence, or actual assault.
>
> Organizing to intervene in someone's bad behavior and things like
> ostracism or banning are extreme. Here it feels like they were applied
> at the point before there is a worse incident.  I think that's good. No
> one takes it lightly.
>
>
>
>
> - Liz
>
>
>
> On 2/23/11 7:47 AM, Robert Chu wrote:
>> (05:48:45 AM) The topic for #noisebridge is: https://www.noisebridge.net/ |
>> Noisebridge still needs more members to improve cash flow | Coming up next
>> week: coherent photons, then involuntary fire extinguisher testing | Today
>> in noisebridge history, someone learned the difference between a mutex and a
>> semaphore.
>> (05:48:45 AM) leguin.freenode.net: (notice) [freenode-info] why register and
>> identify? your IRC nick is how people know you.
>> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
>> (05:48:53 AM) rayc: Hello Noisebridge Goodmorning
>> (05:48:58 AM) rayc: Is anybody on????
>> (05:49:09 AM) lilia: ...
>> (05:49:17 AM) rayc: Patrick just showed up
>> (05:50:23 AM) rayc: Before entering he peered through the port whole to see
>> if we were here. He then entered furtively despite being expressly told that
>> he has been banned from the premises by formal action of the membership.
>> (05:50:46 AM) rayc: He claimed not to have received the email notification,
>> sent by Rachel at 12:42am.
>> (05:51:37 AM) rayc: Four of us acting as defenders of the space, that unless
>> he exited the building and complied strictly with the instructions in the
>> email, that we would be forced the police.
>> (05:52:25 AM) aestetix: oh boy
>> (05:52:58 AM) niggachu: Defenders of the space sounds gay and lame.  Call
>> yourselves instead Tribune of the Membership and you don't need to call
>> other, outside police.
>> (05:52:58 AM) noisebot: niggachu, you have notes! [05:28] <tecra> like this
>> (05:53:55 AM) rayc: Before exiting he checked his phone maybe pretended to
>> read the email-snorted loudly, in what seems to us convey his contempt for
>> the decision, the people who made it and the space.
>> (05:54:07 AM) rayc: Defenders of the space - Paul V.
>> (05:54:17 AM) aestetix: defenders of the space?
>> (05:54:21 AM) aestetix: is this on the mailing list or something?
>> (05:54:58 AM) rayc: He then stated: "I have a printer and a microwave that I
>> am going to take away."
>> (05:55:00 AM) rayc: Not yet
>> (05:55:17 AM) rayc: Then he stormed out.
>> (05:57:09 AM) rayc: We believe that since he gave the aforementioned items
>> to NB in an effort to curry popularity with the membership. That he is not
>> entitled to take the items away and he should be formally notified that any
>> attempt to do so will result in prosecution to theft. - Paul V.
>> (05:57:43 AM) rayc: Note: These notes will be included in an email.
>> (06:00:13 AM) rayc: So Patrick has returned
>> (06:00:35 AM) lilia: yeah… pretty sure when you donate something to a 501c3,
>> the charity then owns the thing, and thus taking it back is legally theft.
>> no different from breaking open the donation boxes and making off w/ cash.
>> (06:00:58 AM) rayc: John is talking to him now
>> (06:01:01 AM) niggachu: It's not his fault.  He has been driven insane by a
>> punch deficiency.
>> (06:01:14 AM) niggachu: kind of like scurvy only it makes you a jerk
>> (06:01:28 AM) rayc: I see
>> (06:01:51 AM) niggachu: maybe someone should ... loan him a punch
>> (06:02:03 AM) rayc: As John being the standing member. John is taking
>> action
>> (06:02:13 AM) rayc: he just walked out with the microwave
>> (06:02:40 AM) lilia: *visions of the kool-aid guy busting through a wall and
>> punching patrick*
>> (06:02:48 AM) lilia: "Oh yeah!
>> (06:03:06 AM) niggachu: robert1: As Guardian of the Space and Tribune of the
>> Nonpaying Nonmember Freeloaders, it is your job to tackle him and retrieve
>> the stolen property.
>> (06:03:32 AM) aestetix: you know
>> (06:03:35 AM) rayc: Paul V. here taking over
>> (06:03:42 AM) aestetix: I used to make jokes about forming a fake police
>> unit within Noisebridge
>> (06:03:51 AM) aestetix: glad to see evolution has taken its natural course
>> :p
>> (06:04:17 AM) rayc: Robert has retired as stenographer and has graduated to
>> direct action
>> (06:04:19 AM) niggachu: You were joking?
>> (06:04:20 AM) niggachu: oh.
>> (06:04:28 AM) lilia: Noisepolice?
>> (06:04:41 AM) SarahEmm: lilia: i think convention would dictate
>> Policebridge, no? :)
>> (06:04:46 AM) lilia: no no... Noisebrigade.
>> (06:05:13 AM) rayc: Jonathan Ellis has followed Patrick out in an effort to
>> talk down a rather tense situation here at brigade hq
>> (06:05:14 AM) noisebot: What Would Patrick Do?
>> (06:05:58 AM) lilia: i <3 noisebot
>> (06:06:06 AM) niggachu: Nolice.
>> (06:06:17 AM) rayc: Robert is manning the front gate to prevent Patrick from
>> re-entering and stealing more NB property
>> (06:06:48 AM) rayc: What is Al's number?
>> (06:07:03 AM) lilia: niggachu: we may have bedbugs but at least we have no(
>> )lice
>> (06:09:06 AM) niggachu: robert1: In all honesty, patrick is currently
>> walking down mission st. near 18th at 6 in the morning when it's still dark
>> and the crackheads are still up.  If he were to arrive home +bruise -wallet
>> and afraid of that area, that would be ... totally expected and
>> understandable in every way and completely unremarkable.
>> (06:10:15 AM) rayc: Let's not get our hopes up.
>> (06:10:48 AM) niggachu: raw hope has a long track record of being useless
>> (06:11:00 AM) rayc: FYI, "Defenders of the Space" was a mocking reference to
>> Henry VIII.
>> (06:11:12 AM) rayc: Paul may be gay but he's not lame.
>> (06:12:33 AM) niggachu: again, it's not a great part of town
>> (06:12:44 AM) rayc: Patrick and Robert now at front gate
>> (06:13:43 AM) rayc: Jonathan Ellis has been sent down to address the
>> situation
>> (06:20:07 AM) \Bill left the room (quit: Disconnected by services).
>> (06:22:41 AM) Destri: Dramabridge
>> (06:22:44 AM) rayc: Continuing negotiations at the front gate.  Patrick
>> refuses to return his key to the front gate.
>> (06:24:41 AM) rayc: Jonathan has returned.  Patrick still at front gate,
>> blocked by Robert
>> (06:24:52 AM) niggachu: http://s11.info/~/ponies.png
>> (06:24:54 AM) noisebot: [Link Info] type: image/png, size: 123,113 bytes
>> (06:24:57 AM) lilia: well i suppose we could change the locks but it would
>> be quite expensive to replace all the keys out there.
>> (06:25:23 AM) lilia: OMGPONIES
>> (06:25:40 AM) niggachu: Incentive to move to numbered swipeycards so we can
>> deactivate a single.
>> (06:25:48 AM) rayc: Robert showing exceptional courage in dealing with that
>> wimp Patrick
>> (06:26:13 AM) Destri: is this the Lilia from sfnet back in tha day?
>> (06:26:27 AM) niggachu: wait I thought courage was the bully-kryptonite, not
>> wimp-kryptonite.
>> (06:26:44 AM) lilia: destri: fraid not
>> (06:26:46 AM) rayc: It's true that the hour is early: but four of us were
>> having a consensus party to celebrate the wisdom of The Members.
>> (06:27:00 AM) Destri: speaking of kryptonite, one of those locks might work
>> on the gate.
>> (06:27:02 AM) niggachu: Is 4 a quorum?
>> (06:27:02 AM) rayc: And we working on important, time-sensitive stuff
>> (06:27:23 AM) rayc: Until Patrick disrupted our vibe
>> (06:27:25 AM) Destri: always room for more lilias
>> (06:27:46 AM) lilia: daww :-)
>> (06:28:37 AM) Destri: unless this Patrick is also from the Lockpicking
>> group.  heh
>> (06:30:28 AM) Destri: I don't think that anybody has coughed up for a round
>> lock-pick set though.
>> (06:31:04 AM) runnerr0 [~runnerr0 at netops-174.sfo1.bitgravity.com] entered
>> the room.
>> (06:31:42 AM) rayc: Standoff at front gate continues.
>> (06:32:28 AM) Destri: Social engineering-hack! "I am El Patrick-o, just here
>> to check the microwave" /cheesy mustache
>> (06:32:50 AM) Destri: the stuff he donated could be a really cheap way to
>> get rid of him forever, actually.
>> (06:33:29 AM) rayc: True, but since it's NB property we need consensus to
>> give it to him, right?
>> (06:34:03 AM) niggachu: It's a do-ocracy, and I don't think anyone will
>> complain that you solved the problem without dragging them into it and
>> dragging it ott for another month.u
>> (06:34:15 AM) Destri: 6 AM consensus could be hard, yeah.  Printer +
>> microwave, 50 bucks of free crap from craigslist.
>> (06:34:35 AM) Destri: "trade you your front gate key for this printer"
>> (06:35:05 AM) lilia: i imagine most people would gladly trade one less
>> printer for one less patrick… but do try to get the gate key.
>> (06:35:13 AM) rayc: Well, it sounds as though Patrick called the police.
>> (06:35:23 AM) aestetix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Harmony,_Indiana
>> (06:35:24 AM) noisebot: [Link Info] title: New Harmony, Indiana - Wikipedia,
>> the free encyclopedia
>> (06:35:25 AM) aestetix: improve the mind
>> (06:35:39 AM) niggachu: gate key is nb property and I don't see what his
>> refusal to return it has to do with its retrieval.
>> (06:35:59 AM) Destri: chatroom consensus?  Aye
>> (06:36:06 AM) lilia: jesus. is there a board member around/wakeable? they're
>> gonna wanna talk to someone official.
>> (06:36:17 AM) neurotech: Al?
>> (06:36:24 AM) rayc: Well I asked for Al's number
>> (06:36:34 AM) neurotech: I dont have their numbers
>> (06:36:39 AM) lilia: anybody call him / find his number? i looked but
>> couldnt find
>> (06:36:41 AM) rayc: Nobody responded.  I think Al is closest.
>> (06:37:25 AM) rayc: Of course, responding to Patrick is not a high priority
>> of the SFPD.
>> (06:37:42 AM) lilia: lulz
>> (06:38:22 AM) rayc: Robert continues to guard the gate.
>> (06:39:14 AM) rigel: i wonder what he told the police
>> (06:39:32 AM) lilia: ditto
>> (06:39:35 AM) rigel: "there are some people i gave some stuff to and the
>> dont like me anmore and wont give my stuff back!"
>> (06:39:53 AM) niggachu: let's just tell the police that he's not allowed in
>> the Get Rid Of Slimy girlS clubhouse any more since his operation.
>> (06:39:56 AM) niggachu: er, her
>> (06:40:58 AM) rayc: The police will tell him it is a civil matter.
>> (06:41:56 AM) Destri: that New Harmony link.  Looks a bit like a pentacle in
>> the center of that town
>> (06:43:30 AM) rayc: Jonathan has repeatedly informed him to contact Jason
>> Dusek.
>> (06:44:04 AM) neurotech: unless anyone has any other ideas..
>> (06:44:57 AM) neurotech: I will reply.. noisebridge is a 501c3 and removing
>> donated property of value is not allowed
>> (06:45:16 AM) rayc: Correct.
>> (06:46:03 AM) rigel: he used the term "donated"
>> (06:46:17 AM) rayc: Correct.
>> (06:46:38 AM) niggachu: If you figure in the negative value of patrick and
>> how that goes away with him the what does the printer become worth?
>> (06:46:51 AM) neurotech: whois niggachu?
>> (06:47:11 AM) rigel: niggachu: roughly -$16.4 million
>> (06:47:17 AM) niggachu: I'm the black pokemon.  Who are you?
>> (06:48:08 AM) neurotech: I'm John/Jonathon referrred to above
>> (06:48:16 AM) aestetix: john waters?
>> (06:48:29 AM) rayc: His sense of humor is not that good.
>> (06:48:31 AM) neurotech: no.. John Ellis
>> (06:49:08 AM) niggachu: neurotech: Did you retrieve the front door key?
>> (06:49:11 AM) rayc: Jonathan Ellis', that is.
>> (06:49:16 AM) neurotech: not yet
>> (06:49:17 AM) rayc: No, he did not.
>> (06:49:22 AM) niggachu: Fail.
>> (06:49:32 AM) lilia: the printer's value is not affected by patrick's value,
>> but overall their sum is negative.
>> (06:49:41 AM) lilia: will he trade the printer for the key?
>> (06:50:20 AM) rigel: the printer was clearly a bribe, and therefore tied
>> inextricably to patrick's value to the space
>> (06:50:35 AM) niggachu: What would he trade the key for?  What if we sing
>> him a song of hate?  Barbershop quartet style.
>> (06:51:44 AM) rayc: On or off key?
>> (06:52:03 AM) Destri: I tend to slide toward baritone as the night of
>> drinking moves on.
>> (06:53:29 AM) rayc: I know we are all in favor of saving trees but, if it is
>> of interest, the printer at issue is the only one that actually works.
>> (06:53:54 AM) niggachu: All I know is as the drinking continues not only
>> does my singing get better, but also I become smarter and more attractive.
>> (06:54:25 AM) Destri: you sure do!
>> (06:54:28 AM) Destri: heh
>> (06:54:33 AM) linguaz left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds).
>> (06:54:47 AM) rigel: i still think its worth donating it to him in exchange
>> for his key
>> (06:55:02 AM) rigel: but then again i am not a frequent user of the space
>> (06:56:10 AM) ***Destri is not really a paid member, nor a frequent user of
>> the space.
>> (06:56:14 AM) Destri: is it a Laser?
>> (06:56:15 AM) rayc: There is strong sentiment in favor of swapping printer
>> for key (he also is claiming a projector stand we can't find), but the now 3
>> of us do not feel empowered to alienate NB property.
>> (06:56:47 AM) rayc: We feel Patrick should follow the instructions in his
>> email notice and contact Jason Dusek.
>> (06:56:51 AM) niggachu: such as the key which you are allowing to walk out
>> (06:57:03 AM) rayc: The key has already walked out.
>> (06:57:30 AM) niggachu: Then, I am afraid that the emperor has already won.
>> (06:57:38 AM) Destri: if he wanted to be a dick.. he could just make a copy
>> of the key and then give it back to you.
>> (06:57:57 AM) Destri: which makes some sorta electronic gate system sound
>> better and better
>> (06:57:59 AM) rayc: Correct.  And may well have done so before coming over.
>> (06:58:01 AM) SarahEmm: to be fair, the key bitting's on the wiki so it's
>> not impossible to just make one if you wanted.
>> (06:58:04 AM) rigel: i wouldnt put it past him that now since he knows you
>> are going to want him to return the key, he will make a copy of it
>> (06:58:10 AM) SarahEmm: (not that anyone would do that, of course <_< >_>)
>> (06:58:15 AM) niggachu: And as soon as key shops open in an hr we must
>> assume he has copied the key.
>> (06:58:17 AM) rigel: oh. i forgot that
>> (06:58:20 AM) niggachu: regardless of whether he has or not
>> (06:58:40 AM) rigel: i am lagged
>> (06:58:55 AM) rayc: Actually, I think he is sufficiently humiliated that he
>> will not return once this drama comes to completion.
>> (06:59:10 AM) Grievre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFztjgfDWDA
>> (06:59:12 AM) noisebot: [Link Info] title: YouTube - Cat Laser Bowling
>> (06:59:13 AM) Grievre: laser cat bowling
>> (06:59:23 AM) lilia: truth. so not much we can doabout that. i say let him
>> do what he likes. he's only digging himself a deeper hole. we can consense
>> later on whether we'd like to pursue legal action to recover our property or
>> just cut our losses and change the locks
>> (06:59:49 AM) Destri: now, all we need is a laser printer hacked into a cat
>> toy, for bowling purposes.
>> (06:59:54 AM) Destri: and a cat
>> (07:00:06 AM) rayc: I think he got the printer to print out his homework
>> (07:00:57 AM) rigel: robert1: it didnt stop him from coming to nb once he
>> was kicked out of hackerdojo or whatever other hackspaces hes been banned
>> from
>> (07:01:15 AM) neurotech: he was kicked out of hacker dojo?
>> (07:02:06 AM) rayc: The printer is a brand new HP LaserJet CP 1525nw color
>> (07:02:09 AM) rigel: this is what i hear
>> (07:03:06 AM) Grievre: who is this patrick and why was he banned?
>> (07:03:15 AM) rayc: I (Paul V.) agree with lilia in that Patrick will do
>> what he thinks best, which means he will just dig a deeper grave for himself
>> (07:03:36 AM) lilia: grievre: long story. go read the discuss archives.
>> (07:04:28 AM) Destri: atsa mighty nice printer
>> (07:06:32 AM) Grievre: I have a printer I could donate to noisebridge if we
>> lose that one. I don't know how much it compares in terms of value
>> (07:06:37 AM) Grievre: it's a dell all-in-one printer-scanner-fax thing
>> (07:06:54 AM) Grievre: on the other hand I keep saying I'm going to set it
>> up and actually use it some day
>> (07:07:41 AM) linguaz [~b79 at commonhouse.net] entered the room.
>> (07:08:54 AM) rayc: Police here.  Hold tight.
>> (07:09:28 AM) Destri: I wanna Color Laser that'll do 11x17, the holy grail
>> of printers.
>> (07:09:28 AM) pm-: uh oh
>> (07:09:33 AM) Destri: some day
>> (07:09:33 AM) pm-: what is happen
>> (07:09:57 AM) teardrop: all your base are blong to us?
>> (07:10:32 AM) lilia: robert1: i'm only 4 blocks away if you need
>> reinforcements
>> (07:14:06 AM) nharlotekk [~dkellogg at 76.14.67.155] entered the room.
>> (07:14:19 AM) dr_jesus: Morning kids
>> (07:14:20 AM) noisebot: dr_jesus, you have notes! [04:29] <niggachu> pony
>> says it has no route to the doorbuzzer so it wouldn't buzz me into nb today.
>>  I had to ring the doorbell like a commoner!
>> (07:14:27 AM) dr_jesus: Hmmmmmmmmm
>> (07:14:44 AM) lilia: ready for your morning dose of patrick drama?
>> (07:14:45 AM) dr_jesus: What's this about donated property?  Of course we
>> can dispose of donated property, it's totally legal
>> (07:15:28 AM) dr_jesus: There's some paperwork you have to do but 1) it
>> doesn't have to be done now and 2) all the situations which trigger
>> paperwork only happen if someone's trying to write off the donation
>> (07:15:44 AM) dr_jesus: and 3) it's optional if the object is <$500
>> (07:15:53 AM) dr_jesus: Hey paul
>> (07:16:50 AM) [ill]will left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
>> (07:17:01 AM) Vrai [~vrai at 166.205.136.112] entered the room.
>> (07:17:06 AM) rayc: Talking with officer
>> (07:17:32 AM) rayc: Dr J good morning: do you approve swapping key for
>> printer?
>> (07:18:00 AM) dr_jesus: I don't see why we need his key back at all
>> (07:18:03 AM) dr_jesus: It's not like he can't get another one
>> (07:18:49 AM) DrShiny [~rachel- at 67.188.221.149] entered the room.
>> (07:19:05 AM) dr_jesus: But sure
>> (07:19:53 AM) DrShiny: so i just got a call, police at nb called by patrick,
>> stuff, etc
>> (07:21:02 AM) lilia: yes… robert/paul has been giving us the play-by-play
>> here
>> (07:21:39 AM) Vrai: Christ.
>> (07:21:46 AM) dr_jesus: robert1: the magic words are "civil dispute"
>> (07:22:03 AM) Destri: the key is symbolic of his agreement to never come
>> back.  I'm thinking.
>> (07:22:12 AM) rayc: The problem is that Patrick has the receipt for the
>> printer in the wallet
>> (07:22:20 AM) dr_jesus: So give him the printer
>> (07:22:27 AM) dr_jesus: It's not like we can't get one of the other ones
>> working
>> (07:22:34 AM) rayc: We are disconnecting it as we speak.
>> (07:22:40 AM) rayc: Here is the deal.
>> (07:23:12 AM) rayc: Officer Milton will give Patrick the printer and
>> strongly advise him to return key.
>> (07:23:18 AM) rayc: in exchange.
>> (07:23:57 AM) rayc: He recommends our lawyer serve notice on Patrick (i.e.,
>> actually serve, not send email) that he is no longer allowed in space,.
>> (07:24:34 AM) dr_jesus: Noted
>> (07:24:49 AM) Vrai: robert1: Thank you for reporting on this.
>> (07:25:18 AM) DrShiny: robert1:  thanks so much for dealing with this
>> (07:25:39 AM) jsgf [~jeremy at c-98-210-109-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] entered the
>> room.
>> (07:26:08 AM) DrShiny: i don't know if we have patrick's address to serve
>> him any kind of notice
>> (07:26:18 AM) Vrai: That too. I'm not even awake enough to process this
>> completely, let alone be dealing calmly w officers
>> (07:26:27 AM) dr_jesus: just ignore that part, the officer doesn't know
>> about our organization so he doesn't know what he's talking about
>> (07:26:33 AM) DrShiny: robert1:  do you need any help over there
>> (07:26:38 AM) DrShiny: i.e. More People
>> (07:26:42 AM) rayc: No. Situation resolved.
>> (07:26:51 AM) dr_jesus: Thanks!
>> (07:27:01 AM) DrShiny: robert1:  thank you
>> (07:27:12 AM) DrShiny: please pass that on to anyone else there as well
>> (07:27:15 AM) Vrai: Gold star for you, robert1
>> (07:27:40 AM) rayc: I (Paul V) have Patrick's key in hand.
>> (07:28:07 AM) dr_jesus: I have a thought for that, some people will be by in
>> an hour or two to get it
>> (07:28:10 AM) dr_jesus: Will you be around?
>> (07:28:19 AM) DrShiny: "some people"?
>> (07:28:42 AM) dr_jesus: X and Q
>> (07:29:01 AM) rayc: Patrick has represented to officer Milton Andaluz that
>> (1) it is the only key he had; (2) the matter is resolved; (3) he will not
>> return to the space.
>> (07:29:15 AM) Destri: maybe the police officer can get his address for his
>> "paperwork"
>> (07:29:32 AM) DrShiny: i wouldn't push it
>> (07:29:49 AM) rayc: We carried down the printer and projector stand and,
>> following Patrick's representations to the Officer, turned them over to him.
>> (07:30:02 AM) rayc: Here are the details.
>> (07:30:26 AM) rayc: Responding Officer: Milton Andaluz badge #1851
>> (07:30:51 AM) riosgrp90 left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving).
>> (07:30:57 AM) rayc: Mission Station (415) 558-5400
>> (07:31:13 AM) rayc: CAD #110540424
>> (07:31:50 AM) Vrai: This will get reported to mailing list at some point,
>> yeah? So everyone knows events
>> (07:32:31 AM) rayc: We will copy this contemporaneous record to the NB
>> mailing list.
>> (07:32:36 AM) DrShiny: it would be awesome if robert1  or someone else who
>> was there would do so
>> (07:32:51 AM) DrShiny: heh
>> (07:32:57 AM) jlf left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds).
>> (07:32:59 AM) Vrai: Thanks, robert1
>> (07:34:28 AM) Destri:  /Paul V
>> (07:34:33 AM) rayc: It should be noted that Robert Albert Young Chu, aka
>> rayc, showed exceptional courage under fire and persistence in defending the
>> space and its property against the depredations of our onetime colleague
>> (says Paul V.)
>>
>>
>>
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