[Noisebridge-discuss] Patrick being banned

[Sean Cusack]

...yes, there is nothing keeping people from meetings...where normally a lot
of smaller details are discussed. Generally, when there is a bigger
'detail', people write the list before they bring it up. This in fact
happened in this instance! (p.s. - thanks for the refresher summary
Christina!):

https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2011-February/021398.html

...where as we can see, banning Patrick was up for consensus next
week...i.e. 6 days from now. I was planning to go...next week. If I would
have known yesterday afternoon that something like banning would be
discussed at the meeting, I would have shown up. But you know...this e-mail
was sent @ midnight after the meeting, and I still haven't built my TARDIS
yet (workin' on it).

For the love of christ, people need to start realizing that I'm not talking
about this specific instance - separate yourselves from the Patrick for a
second, and all the emotion that is tied up with it.

I'm saying there are a lot of us that weren't even told that this whole
thing was going down. It would be like me blowing a hole in the Noisebridge
ceiling tonite, and then saying I'll bring it up for consensus next week.
Why in the world would I have thought we were going to be discussing kicking
people out at the meeting?

All I'm saying is that there is usually a way to solve any problem that
balances the concerns of the many (in this case: safety of the space), with
the fairness to everyone (in this case: informing anyone interested about
what is about to happen). It wasn't done in this instance, and in the
future, we should strive to be better about it.

Sean


On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Shannon Lee <shannon at scatter.com> wrote:

> We have a consensus process that doesn't act without having brought it up
> at two successive meetings precisely so that if you don't make a meeting
> you're not just faced with this kind of "oh, well, you weren't there..."
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Miah Johnson <miah at chia-pet.org> wrote:
>
>> Jim, and everybody else who wasn't at the meeting.
>>
>> If you have a problem with how things happen at the meeting, you should
>> make more of an effort to attend them. Noisebridge is not the irc channel,
>> or the mailing list. Meetings are on Tuesday night, somewhere around 7 or
>> 8pm. If you're a member, show up and provide feedback otherwise you have to
>> trust in your fellow noisebridge members to make the right decisions for
>> you.
>>
>> I don't seem to remember anybody defending "a vigilante decision" that was
>> made over a year ago, without consensus about people smoking certain things
>> around noisebridge. Though it should be noted that somebodies
>> personal safety was in question here too as a allergy was present. Of
>> course, people still bring their dogs to the space, and I seem to remember
>> this thread earning me a entry on the drama page.
>>
>> In this case, peoples personal safety was in question, a faster than usual
>> response was the correct measure to prevent further issues.
>>
>> I hate posting to this list, it is a cesspool.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Miah
>>
>> jim said some bullshit like:
>>
>> you didn't follow the normal procedures; you took action
>> extraordinarily. by definition that's in the neighborhood
>> of vigilante action. note that so is putting out a fire.
>>
>>
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