[Noisebridge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: update - help Japan 16/3/2011/ novinky - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011]

Thu Mar 17 17:14:43 UTC 2011

thanks. seems reasonable to me. 

On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 09:57 -0700, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> I'll answer what I can and I believe that I di partly already but what I say is 
> that I'll update Noisebridge community once per day on regular basis and not 
> every hour, I just do not have time for that.
> 
> As you can see from yesterday post I should not go directly to the critical 
> regions immediately. I plan rather work with the hackers in Japan and slow food 
> movement entities to prepare for the build up efforts after the profesionals 
> are  out and the interest of media is gone too.
> 
> I'll be posting later on today, answering what I can,
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Frantisek
> 
> PS The major issue with Colin are not the questions but rather direct 
> accusations from beginning and ignoring people who work on this already thinking 
> that his opinion is somehow more relevant and more important. That is at least 
> as I understood to his posts (and not only me) and I really do not have time for 
> that because I've hardly time to answer and coordinate people who bring effort 
> and money in, he does not, at least not until now. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: jim <jim at systemateka.com>
> To: Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
> Cc: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 5:05:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: update - help Japan 16/3/2011/ 
> novinky - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011]
> 
> 
>     colin's questions seem worth answering on the 
> noisebridge-discuss list, they're certainly frankly 
> written. 
>     i'd like to add: do you plan to travel as you 
> usually do? if so, how will you avoid being a drain 
> to the regions you visit? note that red cross and 
> other relief organizations are bringing their own 
> water and food. 
>     myself, i worry about you and the few japanese 
> you might rely on in this case. did you consider 
> joining one of the relief organizations? 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 06:29 -0700, Colin Keigher wrote:
> > Frantisek,
> > 
> > Keeping it off of that list and keeping it here is a better idea I find.
> > You're the only one posting on that other mailing list and I am not
> > going to bother to add myself to a seemingly small list that nobody else
> > is looking at. How about some openness and accountability here? You're
> > not helping to convince me to support your cause here.
> > 
> > Keep your responses here and not on the dead mailing list.
> > 
> > My responses are inline.
> > 
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject:     Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] update - help Japan 16/3/2011/
> > > novinky - pomoc Japonsku 16/3/2011
> > > Date:     Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From:     Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>
> > > To:     Colin Keigher <colin at keyboardcowboy.ca>
> > > References:     <519648.62096.qm at web111511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> > > <4D81A170.6030804 at keyboardcowboy.ca>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Colin,
> > > Just shortly.
> > >
> > > Next time please send the emails like this directly to the Japan-help mailing 
> >
> > > list so it can be sorted out efficiently.
> > >  
> > Again, see my point above.
> > > I've planed  to go to Japan for a while already, so I'm rather speeding my 
> > > leave.
> > >  
> > How much have you raised pre-spamming?
> > > It is certainly not just me, as you can see from creating wiki, mailing list 
> >etc 
> >
> > > who is being involved, it is a community of people who wants to do something 
> >and 
> >
> > > now their are looking what and how in a hacker/open source/slow food 
> >movements 
> >
> > > ways..
> > >  
> > This doesn't answer my question, why should YOU be the one to go to
> > Japan? It smells of disaster tourism to me.
> > > I'm a food hacker, in other words skilled, very well trained biotechnologist, 
> >
> > > traveling/studying and working in the field around the world for many years 
> >whit 
> >
> > > excellent recommendations from scientific, volunteer and hacker perspective.
> > >  
> > Are you an accredited biotechnologist or are you someone who has simply
> > studied it? Can we have some examples of these recommendations and a
> > source to back them up?
> > > What exactly and how we will do in Japan is now being "constructed" by 
> >community 
> >
> > > which came together around this project already, the hacker and slow food 
> > > movement will be my targeted group to cooperate with.
> > >  
> > Japan is not a third-world nation unlike Haiti which needs people who
> > have these purported skills you claim. While there are food shortage
> > issues, it is not going to be like a third-world nation that had no
> > infrastructure to begin with. Again, your reasons don't seem to make
> > very much sense.
> > > That should answer the basic questions, some of them were however already 
> >tarted 
> >
> > > in the last news letter 16/3/2011. People who supports me knows me, they 
> >trust 
> >
> > > me because of different reasons. If you like to discuss it further please 
> >post 
> >
> > > your email and my answer to the mailing list we can go from there on.
> > >  
> > Can we have a list of donors? I would like to know who has donated and
> > from where. Again, accountability is key here since you're begging
> > people for money to send you to a foreign country that has a rather
> > decent infrastructure. I don't see you leaving Tokyo or any other
> > metropolitan area very much.
> > 
> > Where were you with Haiti? They're the ones with a food shortage here.
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Frantisek
> > >
> > > PS I've been working under quite critical conditions before, however not 
> > > directly in regions after catastrophe. I've quickly realized that the first 
> > > several weeks are for "professional only" meaning helping on the spot and 
> >that 
> >
> > > is not my job, at least not for this event (again knowledge of the community 
> 
> > > which started to gather around this project). We will prepare during this 
> >time 
> >
> > > to help with the rebuild phase and you can be sure that there is an 
> >incredible 
> >
> > > potential for the open source/hacker/slow food movement to help in a very 
> > > positive way and I'm sure based on my experience that I can contribute a lot 
> 
> > > that is a matter of fact. Lots of people are thinking the same and based on 
> >my 
> >
> > > portfolio online you should be able to see this even without knowing me.
> > >  
> > I did Google for you and it still doesn't seem to back up any reason to
> > send you money. How about you stop being so patronizing and answer the
> > questions without being rhetorical?
> > 
> > - Colin
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