[Noisebridge-discuss] Paid for cleaners, have they ever come by the space?

Will Sargent will.sargent at gmail.com
Tue Nov 22 08:49:09 UTC 2011

And I believe the response from Danny was:

"d) if you want more specific answers on this, it would be easy to
either email Will and edit the notes yourself, or possibly don't tell
me the notes suck when I'm just into the last minutes of the fifth
hour dealing with Noisebridge stuff tonight, as it shakes my
Spock-like calm and makes me want to go DERP DERP DERP MY NAMES RUBIN
DERP DERP DERP for the next few paragraphs."

aka if you were actually interested in it, you would have asked.  I'm
on email, I've been on IRC.  I was even in the space with you on
Saturday / Sunday and you were more interested in resurrecting
noisedrama than in discussing the cleaning.  You've never asked me a
single damn question about the cleaning.

You did, however, post your cock on the wiki.  Thanks for that.


On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Rubin Abdi <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
> Dear Noisebridge, I've had a couple beers and it's now time to tackle my
> inbox:
> A little less then a week ago I posted some valid questions regarding
> the discussion item of paying cleaners to clean our space onto the
> mailing list (quote below) along with the general flag waving of "please
> answer my questions so I don't block consensus on the bases of lack of
> information". Sadly I haven't seen that happen yet, and we're about 21
> hours away from our next general meeting where it seems as though a push
> will be made for consensus on this subject.
> In a push to get discussion going, to make it a point that participants
> of Noisebridge should try to list out major discussion items on the
> agenda well before a meeting happens (not at Noisebridge 5 minutes
> before the meeting is about to start) so that those of us who want to
> participate actually have the option to decide to do so, and in a
> signature dick move that you all know and love about me, I'm going to be
> blocking consensus on this item until my following questions get fully
> answered.
> I will be at the meeting tomorrow night. If I don't get some solid
> answers via the list before then, I will not be in much of a mood to
> hear them out at the meeting and will continue to block regardless of
> whatever those answers are because I honestly don't feel like proper
> discussion has initially happened for this item over the week span we
> have in place for consensus items. I'm sorry if this is a downer, and
> will be happy to talk about why I'm doing this over some colder than I'm
> drinking now beers.
>        Sincerely,
>        Rubin, fuck that fucking guy, Starset
> Rubin Abdi wrote, On 2011-11-16 12:23:
>> Danny has clarified things, the general direction of last night's
>> discussion was to push for consensus at our next meeting. If the
>> discussion item for the cleaners was listed in the meeting notes a few
>> hours prior to the meeting I would have made time to attend the whole
>> meeting and to participate in discussion.
>> With that being said, as a member of Noisebridge I would like to see my
>> prior requests for more information fulfilled (see quoted text) before
>> letting this item pass for consensus. It would be great if that could
>> get posted here (we're more or less having that discussion right now),
>> so this all doesn't get pushed over another week.
>> Rubin Abdi wrote, On 2011-11-16 11:28:
>>>> It is felt that we should put it up for consensus for a further period,
>>>>> this time for six months.
>>> My response would be that this can't pass for consensus until someone
>>> can outline what cleaning has happened, how much it cost us, and (key
>>> point here) how that's improved the space over not paying a cleaners for
>>> cleaning service.
>> Thanks.
> --
> Rubin
> rubin at starset.net

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