[Noisebridge-discuss] Are people okay with people sleeping at the Noisebridge space?

[Ryan Rawson]

The issue isnt one of what is reasonable or not, its a matter of
slippery slope and authority.  If you kind of let people sleep there
sometimes, pretty soon you'll have half the homeless population of SF
living at noisebridge, not just sleeping but LIVING.  Word spreads
fast.

While a live/work space sound appealing, I think its more common in
europe, where the social structures are different and so are
communities.  It would not work out at noisebridge without a strong
control element, since there are many many people who need somewhere
indoors to sleep... But such a space would be geared towards hackers,
not a general homeless shelter, therefore strong controls would be
necessary because it would become an attractive nuisance very very
rapidly.

Realistic, the line has to be drawn in a fair, gentle but firm manner.
 Noisebridge is not a sleep space.

Interesting thread re: passive aggressive, then rejection of
authority.  What can you do?

-ryan

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm OK with people napping in Noisebridge as I've alway been and based on
> previous experience I'm not alone. I've been in thread like this before.
> I've promised at that time that I'll not sleep or nap at Noisebridge,
> however I do support point of view that hackerspaces in general should have
> a "living/sleeping" options too. I've seen already hackerspaces doing this
> in reality and it seems to work, of course infrastructure and agreement of
> the community is needed.
> In this case I've the same feeling as before. It is really easy to start
> "lets kick all the sleepers asses thread" but even if you try as hard as you
> can,  there will be alway people who will tell you "nope sleeping/napping in
> the place is fine with me". As long as these people are around the
> Noisebridge or supporting from the distance, wide spectrum of colors
> applies.
> I assume that current stage of Noisebridge is similar as a year ago, which
> means that it is lacking the infrastructure, "paper work" and general
> support for sleeping/living options within the space, therefore people
> should not do it on regular basis. However if you have really "hot project"
> and you are submerged I would say sacrifice a bit of yourself and community
> and go for it. We have done it in academia before and it works great. The
> amount of work which you can do if you are just in the spot "undisturbed" by
> the out side world is amazing. Anyone who spend few nights in Noisebridge
> and probably any other hacker space knows, that sleeping in the spot is kind
> of "last resource" option which you should avoid because it is a pain.
> Best of luck with this issue,
>
> Sincerely,
> Frantisek
>
> PS I would suggest that showers and "bullet rooms" should be installed in
> the place, at least for the "international visits". That would be cool and
> if the community would decide on guidelines how to use such infrastructure,
> it would be a big example for other hackerspaces.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com>
> To: noisebridge-discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:32 PM
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Are people okay with people sleeping at the
> Noisebridge space?
>
> Are people okay with people sleeping at the Noisebridge space? Who has
> a problem with it? Who doesn't have a problem with it?
>
> -Al
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