[Noisebridge-discuss] missing IBM model M keyboard from my shelf

Tue Sep 20 23:40:48 UTC 2011

How unexcelent to expect the people of noisebridge to shuffle down two
flights of stairs for every visitor.  Some of us break a sweat just walking
to the door.

Come on, it would only be a day before people just decided to prop it open.
Hell,i think I just decided that and it hadn't happened yet. Talk about a
zero day exploit.
On Sep 20, 2011 4:23 PM, "Casey Callendrello" <c1 at caseyc.net> wrote:
> This sounds pretty good, but it does exclude
> potentially-highly-excellent foreign visitors who don't have a working
> US phone number. I think we want there to be *some* sort of doorbell.
>
> My personal opinion is that the doorbell (the thing that makes makes the
> annoying nose) should only function from 9a-10p. I think the door button
> shouldn't work at all.
>
>
> On 9/20/2011 16:00, Gian Pablo Villamil wrote:
>> Why not just disable the doorbell entirely?
>>
>> If someone wants to get in, they either a) have a key b) the phone
>> number of someone in the space who they know or c) the number of the
>> Cisco IP phone. The latter can be easily found by going online, and
>> forces interaction with someone (the person who answers the phone).
>>
>> Someone with a track record of proven excellence can be given a key -
>> even if they are not a member.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Casey Callendrello <c1 at caseyc.net
>> <mailto:c1 at caseyc.net>> wrote:
>>
>> A few thoughts. I'm just brainstorming here, and welcome comment.
>>
>> First of all, I highly discourage use of the doorbell as a regular
>> means of access. I have personally made it very easy to open the
>> gate via cellphone, and I have a more-secure and even-simpler
>> method in the works. I have put my do-ocratic capital where my
>> mouth is, as it were.
>>
>> What if we disable the doorbell entirely during certain hours?
>>
>> What if we disable the door button? During certain hours? To let a
>> guest in, you have to walk down to the street, greet them, and
>> open the door.
>>
>> --Casey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/20/2011 11:49 AM, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>>> I agree with rubin. This makes a lot of sense and would
>>> completely solve this problem and prevent others. On nights like
>>> 5 minutes of fame, we could just leave the doors open, if
>>> neccessary. For other nights and times of the day we could just
>>> let people in. I am a bit worried about doors near the elevator
>>> since we would need to make sure the 2nd floor people can still
>>> get to it and ensuring handicapped access.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Rameen <emprameen at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:emprameen at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with Rubin, and a lot of other people.
>>>
>>> Moreover, I'm extremely impressed by everyone who is
>>> presenting ideas and contributing.
>>> I think it's important to point out, this is a do-ocracy and
>>> whatever physical alterations occur in the space, are
>>> generally approved by the people who are regularly at the
>>> space and actually do stuff. If not, those people tend to
>>> un-do those things, because sometimes the public understands
>>> what's good for itself. No one owns the space, but we all
>>> make it to benefit each other, as well as ourselves.
>>>
>>> This entire thread is pretty astonishing to me. You guys are
>>> amazing!
>>>
>>> I love Noisebridge a lot, and would be sad if it wasn't as
>>> easy for others to access the space as I have been able to. I
>>> probably wouldn't have been around to help found the
>>> delicious Tastebridge, otherwise!
>>>
>>> I think we should implement some of the easier solutions,
>>> like Rubin's simple (yet powerful) social approach. A change
>>> in mentality, as someone sort-of pointed out, could be
>>> something to consider-- don't leave your valuable things
>>> lying around in a public space for anyone to pick up. It's
>>> less likely someone is going to try to wheel your robot out
>>> of NB than a phone or slender laptop, and it does happen, but
>>> be CAREFUL. Everyone wants the space to be safe and open, but
>>> some extreme instances of personal material loss shouldn't be
>>> cause to change Noisebridge's radical acceptance policy. Even
>>> Jake, who started this thread, has good solutions that won't
>>> necessarily compromise a lot of the openness and public
>>> excellence that DOES exist!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Rubin Abdi
>>> <rubin at starset.net <mailto:rubin at starset.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> $0.02
>>>
>>> At the old space, 83c, we had a front door. This door was
>>> always locked
>>> on the outside. If someone rang the doorbell it was up to
>>> someone inside
>>> to get up and let them in. In doing so they would meet
>>> the person. It
>>> was great, until people didn't want to get up every 5
>>> minutes to let
>>> people in. Some of us started handing out keys to those
>>> who seemed smart
>>> and would come by often. Some of us gave out keys to
>>> people we would
>>> meet traveling and seemed smart. This system worked well,
>>> until we moved.
>>>
>>> In another life I worked at a video game store. Anyone
>>> who's done retail
>>> knows the rule about greeting people. You try to say hi
>>> to every single
>>> person who comes in through the front door before they
>>> can have a chance
>>> to look at any merchandise or get to the front counter,
>>> create dialog
>>> with them. All this not to help them with finding
>>> whatever crap it was
>>> that they want, but to make them understand that people
>>> working in the
>>> shop know they're present. It's the first step in loss
>>> prevention, if
>>> you know someone's already spotted you coming through the
>>> front door,
>>> the chances of you stealing something drastically goes
>>> down. Think about
>>> it the next couple of times you walk into a retail store,
>>> even the big
>>> ones will tend to have someone right at the door to say
>>> hi to you.
>>>
>>> We're now at a new space. None of our doors really have
>>> locks. We've got
>>> this crazy system that buzzes people in without ever
>>> really having
>>> someone greet them, might as well just leave the gate
>>> open 24/7. We are
>>> a public space. You walk in, make no social connection to
>>> anyone there,
>>> the things in the space have no ties to anyone you've
>>> met, they're up
>>> for the picking, you take what you want, you leave.
>>>
>>> Those of us here who've stolen goods (in a past life)
>>> know this, this is
>>> how we think. It's harder to steal from an individual
>>> than it is to
>>> steal from a faceless entity.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, lockers acknowledge that some people feel
>>> there's a theft
>>> problem at Noisebridge, and they have to keep their own
>>> personal crown
>>> jewels in a safe, much in the same way the good liquor
>>> and cigarets are
>>> locked inside a glass case. They know theft is going to
>>> happen, they
>>> just don't want it to happen to those things. Stuff will
>>> still get stolen.
>>>
>>> I feel the right solution to this is to make thieves
>>> understand what the
>>> space is, what people are doing in the space, and that if
>>> they are here
>>> for theft, they are stealing from good people, people
>>> active in the
>>> space. That they're aren't simply walking into a nameless
>>> department
>>> store, they're walking into a community space filled with
>>> people similar
>>> to them.
>>>
>>> My suggestion for a long while has been to get rid of the
>>> automatic buzz
>>> in system, and to put in place locks to the door at the
>>> top of the
>>> stairs and to door off the elevator room. Part of being
>>> in the space is
>>> helping it out right? If people want to come in you have
>>> to let them in.
>>> If you don't feel like letting people in, don't. The
>>> notion of gifting a
>>> key to someone becomes more worth while again (the act is
>>> very much a
>>> symbol outside of The Bay Area to people who still
>>> haven't been to the
>>> space it's like gold, but since we buzz in everyone,
>>> locals don't give a
>>> shit), because you trust that person enough to give
>>> him/her a copy. When
>>> you hold a key, you understand who hold access to a place
>>> that's
>>> accepted you to share it.
>>>
>>> In my experience, fixing social problems tend to last
>>> longer and work
>>> stronger than creating physical workaround (which are
>>> easier to break
>>> and hack, like lockers).
>>>
>>> But then again I've been preaching this fucking idea for
>>> so long with no
>>> one really biting due to laziness to not really want to
>>> getup and answer
>>> the door and a lack of social backbone to greet new
>>> people coming into a
>>> space you share with your community, at this point I
>>> suppose that I must
>>> be the one with the wrong ideas and concepts here and
>>> that I really
>>> don't have any comprehension on how the mind of thief
>>> works...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rubin
>>> rubin at starset.net <mailto:rubin at starset.net>
>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Ronald Cotoni
>>> Systems Engineer
>>>
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