[Noisebridge-discuss] /RTFM/

Kelly hurtstotouchfire at gmail.com
Thu Apr 26 07:38:07 UTC 2012

I am still pretty solidly against the idea of people storing personal
supplies/gear in common areas. I think the member shelves are
sufficient in almost all cases. If it doesn't fit on a member shelf,
you should probably donate it. I think that common areas are fine for
large hacks in progress, but labeling is not sufficient. The label
should include contact info so that if you abandon it we're not stuck
respecting your personal items for weeks before we figure that out.

I am not surprised that consumable things are taken from the member
shelves, given the steady contingent of sketchy people in the space.
It always bums me out when I hear about more substantial thefts, but
I've never had anything taken from my shelf, so I still keep things
there. I don't really keep readily hackable or sellable stuff though.

I think that having locked bins of any sort is a clear invitation, and
I certainly wouldn't feel my stuff was safer behind a lock. I do think
that locker doors might be useful. They are noisy to open at least.


On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 17:24, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Martin Bogomolni <martinbogo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Unfortunately, as I've found out, the hack shelves (even if clearly
>> labeled) are not a safe place to store things anymore either... and
>> certainly not if they are trivially consumable, easily fungible, or
>> the least bit useful.
>> I've tested the theory by leaving behind a small bottle of my flavored
>> vodka every time I travel.  Invariably, they have been taken.   For
>> years, I left things like servers, a game console, that kind of thing
>> on the shelves.  Just after the hack shelf move, things changed.
>> I don't bother trying to keep projects on the shelves anymore.  I just
>> take anything even vaguely useful home now.
> Yeah, I think that tradition has broken slightly in general (also we had the
> wobbly moment a month or so ago, although that appears to be clearing out
> now). And God, we need to clear out those shelves. I think it helps now
> we've pretty much definitively settled who is and who isn't a member.
> I talked to Maestro a bit today about this. We disagreed about the issue of
> how best to protect things (I think there's a long-brewing disconnect
> between the idea that you can keep stuff at NB and if it's labelled, it will
> be mostly safe, and the "everything has to be hackable" idea -- it's
> definitely being stressed at the moment due to a large-scale space
> rearrangement). BUT we agreed about maybe trying to a) renew the protection
> meme by having stuff red-taped, and b) the old solution of lockers. I
> honestly don't think anyone is going to complain about on ideological
> grounds anymore (nb-discuss is definitely the place to find out whether
> that's true), but nobody has fundraised for it.
> I think we could combine clearing out the shelves and getting lockers, we'd
> have to do it carefully, and it would take a few weeks at the very least of
> reaching out very widely to people who aren't members but who have stuff,
> but it could be done. I'd like to do it.
> d.
> d.
>> -M
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