[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge-discuss Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5

rachel lyra hospodar rachelyra at gmail.com
Wed Dec 5 18:49:14 UTC 2012


Our use of language vacillates between the very precise and the wildly
inaccurate. In this case I first used precise language and it was not
actually grokked. What I see in the use of this 'swear' word here is a
different way of explaining the same concept, in a different dialect. The
one incidentally that I found native in Noisebridgelandia when I got here.

For the record noisebridge has hosted lots of alt-sex meetups/events/talks
(for intellectual events, getyermindouttathegutter) and in general has a
large sex-positive influence throughout its history.

While I do think it is important that I be treated with respect, I don't
think policing all language is productive. I think it is better to seek to
move in a direction, no?

Also wtf.

I am really interested in making sure that 'women being treated with
respect' doesn't somehow get conflated with 'we should stop being
sexpositive' or 'omg now we all have to talk like a womens studies class'
because believe me that it is possible to push that shit too far.

just so y'all know where I stand on that.
On Dec 5, 2012 10:08 AM, "David theMaker" <starofatlas at gmail.com> wrote:

> "We've been dicks to each other in the past, so I made a rash judgement
> and assumed that pattern was continuing".
>
> One thing that I appreciate about this group is the sensitivity towards
> language in relation to each other, in the hopes of fostering greater
> community and support.
> So, why then is there no outrage of the use of "dicks" being used in a
> derogatory and demeaning fashion? This usage fosters an underlying contempt
> for the masculine; we're better than that!
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:00 AM, <
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>>    1. Sudo Room ?State of the Room? Dec. 7-9th: Weekend of Open
>>       House Activities (Jenny Ryan)
>>    2. Frantisek: Email bouncing on tastebridge (Glen Jarvis)
>>    3. Re: New furniture (Brandon Edens)
>>    4. Re: New furniture (Tony Longshanks LeTigre)
>>    5. Re: New furniture (rachel lyra hospodar)
>>    6. Tahoe, The Least Authority File System,   Thursday Night Hack
>>       Meet (Zancas Dearana)
>>    7. Re: New furniture (John Withers)
>>    8. Re: New furniture (Brian Cloutier)
>>    9. Lab: Frontend Web Development, Thursday 8pm (Jeffrey Carl Faden)
>>   10. It's a Newtonmas Five Minutes of Fame, Charlie Brown -- 5MOF
>>       returns on December 20th, send me your submissions now, this
>>       subject line is too long for most clients. (Danny O'Brien)
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Jenny Ryan" <jenny at thepyre.org>
>> To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> Cc:
>> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 04:54:46 -0800
>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Sudo Room “State of the Room” Dec. 7-9th:
>> Weekend of Open House Activities
>>
>> Greetings Noisebridgers~
>>
>> Please join Sudo Room <http://sudoroom.org/>, a hacker/creativespace in
>> downtown Oakland, for a series of public events at our new space this
>> coming weekend! This month we are celebrating our move into a full space at
>> 2141 Broadway with the first annual “State of the Room.” Come see our
>> space, meet the “sudoers,” learn what Sudo Room is all about, hear what
>> projects people are working on, and be a part of developing the future
>> direction of Sudo Room.
>>
>> Weekend Schedule:
>>
>>    - Fri. Dec. 7th, 6-10PM: Sudo Room Housewarming & Fundraiser<http://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/house-warming/?instance_id=19501>(during Art Murmur)
>>    - Sat. Dec. 8th, 9-5: “State of the Room” Unconference<http://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/first-annual-state-of-the-room-unconference/?instance_id=19502>
>>    - Sun. Dec. 9th, all day: Move-In Day and Neglected Technology / Book
>>    Drive <http://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/move-in-day/?instance_id=19505>
>>
>> Love,
>> the sudo room crew
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>> To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com>,
>> algoldor at frantisekapfelbeck.org
>> Cc: tastebridge tastebridge <tastebridge at lists.noisebridge.net>,
>> Noisebridge <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 07:59:59 -0800
>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frantisek: Email bouncing on tastebridge
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>> Frantisek,
>>     This email address 'algoldor at frantisekapfelbeck.org" is bouncing too
>> much and the tastebridge list has automatically moved your email into
>> "don't send any more state" because of it.
>>
>>      I can help you reactivate if you can't yourself. I am sending such a
>> wide net to hopefully reach you and let you know. But, first let me know
>> that you have the email bounce problem under control.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Glen
>> - --
>> "Pursue, keep up with, circle round and round your life as a dog does his
>> master's chase. Do what you love. Know your own bone; gnaw at it, bury it,
>> unearth it, and gnaw it still."
>>
>> - --Henry David Thoreau
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Brandon Edens <brandonedens at gmail.com>
>> To: Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Noisebridge-discuss <Noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:31:03 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] New furniture
>> On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 05:32:26PM -0800, Snail wrote:
>>
>> > You could probably compromise on the issue & replace the couches with
>> > wooden benches. Still accessible, comfortable enough for sitting, &
>> easier
>> > to clean and maintain than couch cushions. -- People can buy pillows
>> that
>> > are easier to clean/rotate if they want something softer. -- Plus that
>> > looks like Internet-cafe-ish, right? Is that what's hip these days? That
>> > was the original point, right?
>> >
>> > Let's not be too practical, though! >_>
>>
>> Found this wonderful reference on benches that others can use in designing
>> their own benches OR analyzing the positioning and placement of benches.
>>
>> http://www.pps.org/reference/benches/
>>
>> Some highlights:
>>
>> Benches should not face each other directly unless they are being used for
>> games. People tend to feel uncomfortable when they sit face to face with a
>> stranger, and will twist around or sit sideways to avoid eye contact.
>> Occasionally, pairs of benches should be placed at a 90 to 120 degree
>> angle,
>> which is good both for conversations and for sitting alone.
>>
>> A second factor in bench design is appearance. It is important that a
>> bench
>> fits in with its surroundings. The reason for this is that a bench, which
>> appears to be an extension of the property it sits next to, will help to
>> give a
>> proprietary feel to the street. This increases the likelihood that
>> business
>> owners will take care of the bench (and the street) that will, in turn,
>> have a
>> positive effect on safety and security in the area.
>>
>>
>>
>> and of course bench comfort...
>>
>> To be comfortable, there should be a 95-105 degree angle between the seat
>> and
>> the back, and the seat should be between 2 and 10 degrees off of
>> horizontal.
>>
>> The depth of the seat should be 12 to 18 inches for benches with backs
>> and 30
>> inches for backless benches.
>>
>> A seat height of 18 inches is generally the most comfortable.
>>
>> The front edge of the seat should be curved rather than squared off.
>>
>> Small bench slats (2 inches) spaced closely together and following a
>> contoured
>> form are generally more comfortable than larger slats (8 inches).
>> However, in
>> areas where vandalism is a factor a larger size (e.g., 3 inches x 8
>> inches)
>> should be used.
>>
>> The length of the seat should allow for twenty-four inches per person.
>> However,
>> people will sit closer to each other if there is an armrest separating
>> them.
>>
>> Armrests are useful both to help people to get out of the seat, and to
>> divide a
>> bench so that more people can fit along it. Segmenting the bench into
>> sections
>> through the use of armrests can provide a sense of privacy among groups
>> as well
>> as encourage people to sit closer together. The edge of the armrest should
>> extend out to the edge of the seat, and it should have a firm, rounded
>> gripping
>> surface.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brandon Edens | brandonedens at gmail.com | brandonedens.org | key
>> 0xEC4E9BA5
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Tony Longshanks LeTigre <anthonyletigre at gmail.com>
>> To: rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Noisebridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:00:59 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] New furniture
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Just because they are raggedy doesn't make the accessibility issue
>>> someone else's problem.  It's just you deciding that.
>>>
>>>
>> You are overreacting. You have a glaring tendency to see others as your
>> oppressors & as autocrats rather than your equals & comrades. This leads to
>> conflicts that are self-manufactured with people who should be your allies.
>> Dan & others have already stated they will wait to make any substantial
>> changes to the furnishings of the space until others have a chance to give
>> input at the meeting tonight, etc. I doubt anyone connected to Noisebridge
>> has it in for people with disabilities or will stubbornly refuse to provide
>> accommodations for those who are differently abled. Thank you for bringing
>> this into the discussion, all the same. In the meantime, we cleaned some
>> stuff off the top of fridge #2 the other night that was so foul the mice &
>> cockroaches have been avoiding that area. Surely this is a net positive for
>> the space. Let us thrive - and evolve - together!
>>
>> +11+
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
>> To: Tony Longshanks LeTigre <anthonyletigre at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Noisebridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:03:05 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] New furniture
>>
>>
>> I found this article by searching "calling out oppression" and
>> "over-reacting".
>> http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1
>> Maybe I should make a chart of boringly predictable oblivous responses,
>> or a robot like lmgtfy that deflects blacklisted emails using their
>> adjectives as search terms.
>>
>> Because there are just so many goshdarned people playing out the same
>> predictable social dynamics that there are in fact rote predictable
>> responses to these discussions.
>>
>> Yawn.
>>
>> Bye now.
>> On Dec 4, 2012 9:01 AM, "Tony Longshanks LeTigre" <
>> anthonyletigre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM, rachel lyra hospodar <
>>> rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just because they are raggedy doesn't make the accessibility issue
>>>> someone else's problem.  It's just you deciding that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You are overreacting. You have a glaring tendency to see others as your
>>> oppressors & as autocrats rather than your equals & comrades. This leads to
>>> conflicts that are self-manufactured with people who should be your allies.
>>> Dan & others have already stated they will wait to make any substantial
>>> changes to the furnishings of the space until others have a chance to give
>>> input at the meeting tonight, etc. I doubt anyone connected to Noisebridge
>>> has it in for people with disabilities or will stubbornly refuse to provide
>>> accommodations for those who are differently abled. Thank you for bringing
>>> this into the discussion, all the same. In the meantime, we cleaned some
>>> stuff off the top of fridge #2 the other night that was so foul the mice &
>>> cockroaches have been avoiding that area. Surely this is a net positive for
>>> the space. Let us thrive - and evolve - together!
>>>
>>> +11+
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Zancas Dearana <zancas at leastauthority.com>
>> To: tahoe-dev at tahoe-lafs.org, p2p-hackers at lists.zooko.com, Noisebridge
>> Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>,
>> noisebridge-announce at lists.noisebridge.net
>> Cc:
>> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 13:30:47 -0800
>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Tahoe, The Least Authority File System,
>> Thursday Night Hack Meet
>> The Tahoe Least Authority File System is a peer-to-peer system that stores
>> data redundantly with agents who cannot read the data contents.  These
>> agents are granted close to the *minimum* authority necessary to support
>> requests about the data.  This design is motivated by the "Principle
>> of Least Authority".
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_authority
>>
>> This Thursday (2012-12-06) at 19:00 PST, members of the Tahoe
>> community will have
>> a physical meetup at "The Big Noisebridge Table".  We'll project
>> a basic state diagram (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_diagram)
>> depicting
>> the behaviour of the distributed "Lease Database" that the "storage
>> server"
>> agents in the Tahoe network use to manage the encrypted data that they
>> store.  During our meeting we'll add correct and useful content to the
>> diagram.
>>
>> An overview of the design, including the basic state diagram, can be
>> found here:
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/davidsarah/tahoe-lafs/blob/1819-cloud-merge/docs/proposed/leasedb.rst
>>
>> For a general introduction to Tahoe check this out:
>>
>> https://tahoe-lafs.org
>>
>> Gimme the code!!
>>
>> To understand the behavior of the "lease data base" we'll be inspecting
>> this
>> code (you might want to look at this before Thursday!):
>>
>> https://github.com/davidsarah/tahoe-lafs/tree/master/src/allmydata/
>>
>> storage/leasedb.py
>> storage/account.py
>> storage/accountant.py
>> storage/accounting_crawler.py
>> storage/server.py (less important)
>>
>>
>> No punch...   no pie...   just a group building a better Information
>> Super Highway (a series of tubes in The Cyber)!
>>
>> --
>> -- ظ
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: John Withers <jwithers at reddagger.org>
>> To: rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Noisebridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:04:37 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] New furniture
>> I love how anytime anyone disagrees with you going off on people, you
>> can never be wrong because anyone pointing out that you go over the top
>> agro on people who intended no harm, they are evil oppressors.
>>
>> It's win win and possibly one of the most brilliant perma-troll tactics
>> I have ever seen. Very nice work.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 15:03 -0500, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
>> >
>> > I found this article by searching "calling out oppression" and
>> > "over-reacting".
>> > http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1
>> > Maybe I should make a chart of boringly predictable oblivous
>> > responses, or a robot like lmgtfy that deflects blacklisted emails
>> > using their adjectives as search terms.
>> >
>> > Because there are just so many goshdarned people playing out the same
>> > predictable social dynamics that there are in fact rote predictable
>> > responses to these discussions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Brian Cloutier <briancloutier2010 at gmail.com>
>> To:
>> Cc: Noisebridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 16:02:00 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] New furniture
>>
>> >I think you owe him (and Josh) an apology for the unqualified harshness
>>
>> >You are overreacting.
>>
>> You guys do realize she said sorry right?
>>
>> > Maybe you will all love this, as I will now make an example of my own
>> cognitive fallacies, instead of someone else's. [...] I just reread my
>> exchange with josh and while I called him out for challenging my statements
>> rather than querying them, [...]. The wording is, in fact, a query.
>>
>> "After some review, it turns out that I was wrong"
>>
>> >  How much of that set of my assumptions come from my knowledge of josh
>> and past interactions with him? How much is rooted in other experiences I
>> have had?  In this case especially I am not really sure.
>>
>> "We've been dicks to each other in the past, so I made a rash judgement
>> and assumed that pattern was continuing"
>>
>> > We are a sort of organic computer that constructs algorithms based on
>> data of interactions. If everyone bases their reactions to each other on
>> past experiences then there is some necessary noise in the system.
>>
>> "We are all human, and we all mistakes"
>>
>> > but what about for all those crazy feminist bitches who flip out every
>> time you interrupt them?
>>
>> "Again my bad, I overreacted."
>>
>> > How do you deal with the ways that people act and react, especially
>> when they are different than what you might be wanting? I deal with it by
>> trying to imagine what their motivations are, [...]
>>
>> "Usually I do try to be empathetic."
>>
>> > Sometimes I make false conclusions based on my own preconceptions or
>> situation. [...]  One thing I like about the
>> metacognitive-neurolinguistic-social-interaction field of study is that it
>> begins by acknowledging this.
>>
>> "However this time I really messed up, and I realize that"
>>
>>
>> This is actually a pretty damn good apology. Instead of just saying "I'm
>> sorry" Rachel is saying what went wrong, why it happened, and by
>> referencing science implicitly stating she'll try to do better in the
>> future.
>>
>> So... can we back off?
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:04 PM, John Withers <jwithers at reddagger.org>wrote:
>>
>>> I love how anytime anyone disagrees with you going off on people, you
>>> can never be wrong because anyone pointing out that you go over the top
>>> agro on people who intended no harm, they are evil oppressors.
>>>
>>> It's win win and possibly one of the most brilliant perma-troll tactics
>>> I have ever seen. Very nice work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 15:03 -0500, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I found this article by searching "calling out oppression" and
>>> > "over-reacting".
>>> > http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1
>>> > Maybe I should make a chart of boringly predictable oblivous
>>> > responses, or a robot like lmgtfy that deflects blacklisted emails
>>> > using their adjectives as search terms.
>>> >
>>> > Because there are just so many goshdarned people playing out the same
>>> > predictable social dynamics that there are in fact rote predictable
>>> > responses to these discussions.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>> To: "noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net" <
>> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>,
>> noisebridge-announce at lists.noisebridge.net, webdev at lists.noisebridge.net
>> Cc:
>> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 19:20:54 -0800
>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Lab: Frontend Web Development, Thursday 8pm
>> We started looking at jQuery this week. Here are the lecture materials:
>> http://jeffreyatw.com/static/frontend/series3/class9/lecture.zip
>>
>> This assignment takes an existing HTML/CSS structure and adds jQuery
>> magic to it:
>> http://jeffreyatw.com/static/frontend/series3/class9/assignment.html
>>
>> The lab is a great opportunity to work on the assignment, any other
>> personal project, or ask questions about any aspect of web
>> development. You don't need to attend the lecture series to stop by.
>>
>> It's in Turing on Thursday at 8pm. Hope to see you there!
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Frontend_Web_Development#Lab
>>
>> Jeffrey
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Danny O'Brien" <danny at spesh.com>
>> To: Noisebridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> Cc:
>> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 20:07:32 -0800
>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] It's a Newtonmas Five Minutes of Fame,
>> Charlie Brown -- 5MOF returns on December 20th, send me your submissions
>> now, this subject line is too long for most clients.
>> Hello.
>>
>> Last month's 5 minutes of fame (Noisebridge's regular opportunity to
>> show, tell, and/or rant) was fantastically awesome, and involved bad
>> singing, hard crypto, good music, piezo-electric reenactment
>> societies, small children channelling Egyptian godheads, and WinAmp.
>>
>> The next one will be on December 20th, and will be defiantly
>> unseasonal. Proposed ideas so far include a war between mushroom, wool
>> and hemp enthusiasts, live hangliding, quantum ouija, nude haskell,
>> functional language cage fight, and so on. Clearly we need your input.
>>
>> Everyone has five minutes of practical weirdosity in them, and if
>> you'd like to show off your current project, speculate wildly, or ask
>> big time rhetorical questions,  tell me now, so I can put you on the
>> rosta for the next 5mof.
>>
>> You can do so by mailing me, or if you like HTML forms, go here:
>> http://5mof.net/signup/
>>
>> For those who missed last months', look, here it is, I found it on an
>> Internet: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/27058148
>>
>> d.
>>
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