[Noisebridge-discuss] Reorganization at noisebridge

Elijah Post elijahpost at gmail.com
Fri Jan 13 19:35:02 UTC 2012


Woah!

Just because I'm for it doesn't mean I'm responsible for other people who
are actually DOING it. If you insist that we point fingers and blame
someone, why don't you blame whoever is mixing the things up. Also,
consider the fact that there are lots of people helping with the moving.
And lots more I talked to who are for it so long as it's done in an OK way
(which obviously it hasn't). Does that mean that I should take
full responsibility for everything everyone else involved does? Pardon me,
but with all due respect that's the worst logic I've ever heard at
Noisebridge.

Just because I'm the only person participating in this thread doesn't mean
I'm the face of this project. Don't you dare just arbitrarily lay the blame
on someone because s/he's the only one you can find to blame. You got a
problem? Talk to the people who are making your problem.

Yeah, I'm pissed.

P.S. When I talked to Rayc, he did spend a lot of time considering
wheelchair accessibility.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Liz Henry <liz at bookmaniac.org> wrote:

> Please think about wheelchair accessibility while reorganizing.... I
> can't be at NB for a while yet but when I am will be back in my manual
> chair.  cheers.
>
>
> - liz
>
>
> On 1/13/12 10:57 AM, Elijah Post wrote:
> > The plan will be to fix that with a barrier- probably an addition of
> > whiteboards.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, lilia<liliakai at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> I stopped by the space on my way to work today. I found the stuff from
> >> my shelf spread across three shelves and some stuff that I didn't
> >> recognize on my shelf. Let me know if you or anyone you know is
> >> missing big black windows media center laptop or a case of green-pak
> >> pipette tips.
> >>
> >> The member shelves are in two columns, forming a long member hallway
> >> between them. This makes one column protected and the other totally
> >> exposed to attack (casual observation/thievery) from the workspace
> >> side. I'm glad mine ended up on the protected side.
> >>
> >> I noticed that an ad-hoc wall was formed between the hack shelves and
> >> member shelves, so that the member hallway is only accessible from one
> >> end. The floor on closed-off side is full of random stuff, further
> >> reducing accessibility for members. Who does any of it belong to? Not
> >> much way to tell now.
> >>
> >> If you had stuff on your shelf that you cared about, I highly
> >> recommend checking on it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Elijah Post<elijahpost at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Well hopefully everything will end positively. It's unfortunate that
> >>> communication wasn't more clear.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Gian Pablo Villamil<
> >> gian.pablo at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, Miloh didn't hear about it, I didn't hear about it, and we're
> >>>> pretty well plugged in. I don't recall seeing it in any of the meeting
> >>>> notes, and I do read all of them. Seriously, if you're going to be
> >>>> moving people's stuff, you need at least a couple of rounds of "is it
> >>>> OK if we do this" type messages to the list.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Elijah Post<elijahpost at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>> The idea of the the move is as follows:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Create space for a fab lab for the Sewing machines and the
> >>>>> Replicators to
> >>>>> have a good space. (Right now the replicators are in as bad a place
> as
> >>>>> they've ever been.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. Make it so the member shelves are still protected and difficult
> for
> >>>>> non-members to get to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Many people were talked to about this before the move started. In
> >>>>> addition I
> >>>>> do believe it was brought up at a meeting (although I was not there).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:43 AM, jim<jim at well.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     I'm really glad to see this discussion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     The downside of blind do-ocracy is lack of coordination.
> >>>>>> "Just do it" translates as "do as you please".
> >>>>>>     For NB the notion of do-ocracy grew out of disgust with
> >>>>>> people talking about stuff and not doing anything.
> >>>>>>     If what you're doing doesn't affect anyone else, please
> >>>>>> shut up and do it.
> >>>>>>     If what you're doing might affect anyone else, please
> >>>>>> let them know what you plan to do before you do it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     What's the basic point? Unfettered do-ocracy is
> >>>>>> indistinguishable from indulgence and inconsiderateness.
> >>>>>> To be considerate requires restraint, i.e. discipline,
> >>>>>> which is tough for children and childish personages.
> >>>>>>     For the NB community's long term success, it's
> >>>>>> important that each of us think about possible
> >>>>>> consequences of our actions and actually talk to others.
> >>>>>>     For that to happen, the community had better include
> >>>>>> consideration and talking to each other as one of our
> >>>>>> mantras.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 08:46 -0800, Liz Henry wrote:
> >>>>>>> Did the people who use the craft/sewing area want this move to
> >>>>>>> happen?
> >>>>>>> What was the point here?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Liz
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 1/13/12 7:18 AM, gian.pablo at gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> This sounds like such a bad idea. Who instigated this? If any of
> >> my
> >>>>>>>> stuff goes missing I am done with Noisebridge.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 8:58 PM, gnnrok<gnnrok at gmail.com>   wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hey,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Visited noisebridge tonight, noticed people were moving the
> >> member
> >>>>>>>>> shelves over to the sewing area and the sewing area to the
> >> member
> >>>>>>>>> shelves area.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The space is pretty chaotic at the moment, stuff spread around
> >> and
> >>>>>>>>> chairs/tables clustered together near the electronics/wood
> >> working
> >>>>>>>>> areas.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It seems there might be some use for help with the project, and
> >> or
> >>>>>>>>> ideas about whether or not it's the right fit.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Elijah Louis Spenser Post
> >>>>> Mechanic (San Francisco Bike Kitchen)
> >>>>> Participant (NoiseRep at Noisebridge)
> >>>>>
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> >>> Elijah Louis Spenser Post
> >>> Mechanic (San Francisco Bike Kitchen)
> >>> Participant (NoiseRep at Noisebridge)
> >>>
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> ------------------------
> Liz Henry
> liz at bookmaniac.org
> http://bookmaniac.org
>
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> evaluate; without peers, nearly impossible to speak." -- Joanna Russ
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-- 
*Elijah Louis Spenser Post
Mechanic (San Francisco Bike Kitchen)*
*Participant (NoiseRep at Noisebridge)*
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