[Noisebridge-discuss] Reorganization at noisebridge

Liz Henry liz at bookmaniac.org
Sat Jan 14 00:43:24 UTC 2012 

Hi Elijah, I don't mind the reorg, I haven't been there anyway to see it 
or help or give any feedback. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was blaming 
you for anything.  I only mentioned accessibility on the list for 
everyone in general to keep it in mind as they move things around -- it 
wasn't meant to be directed at you!   But I wanted to mention it quick 
and in public, in case things are still in flux.

Best,

Liz


On 1/13/12 11:35 AM, Elijah Post wrote:
> Woah!
>
> Just because I'm for it doesn't mean I'm responsible for other people who
> are actually DOING it. If you insist that we point fingers and blame
> someone, why don't you blame whoever is mixing the things up. Also,
> consider the fact that there are lots of people helping with the moving.
> And lots more I talked to who are for it so long as it's done in an OK way
> (which obviously it hasn't). Does that mean that I should take
> full responsibility for everything everyone else involved does? Pardon me,
> but with all due respect that's the worst logic I've ever heard at
> Noisebridge.
>
> Just because I'm the only person participating in this thread doesn't mean
> I'm the face of this project. Don't you dare just arbitrarily lay the blame
> on someone because s/he's the only one you can find to blame. You got a
> problem? Talk to the people who are making your problem.
>
> Yeah, I'm pissed.
>
> P.S. When I talked to Rayc, he did spend a lot of time considering
> wheelchair accessibility.
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Liz Henry<liz at bookmaniac.org>  wrote:
>
>> Please think about wheelchair accessibility while reorganizing.... I
>> can't be at NB for a while yet but when I am will be back in my manual
>> chair.  cheers.
>>
>>
>> - liz
>>
>>
>> On 1/13/12 10:57 AM, Elijah Post wrote:
>>> The plan will be to fix that with a barrier- probably an addition of
>>> whiteboards.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, lilia<liliakai at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> I stopped by the space on my way to work today. I found the stuff from
>>>> my shelf spread across three shelves and some stuff that I didn't
>>>> recognize on my shelf. Let me know if you or anyone you know is
>>>> missing big black windows media center laptop or a case of green-pak
>>>> pipette tips.
>>>>
>>>> The member shelves are in two columns, forming a long member hallway
>>>> between them. This makes one column protected and the other totally
>>>> exposed to attack (casual observation/thievery) from the workspace
>>>> side. I'm glad mine ended up on the protected side.
>>>>
>>>> I noticed that an ad-hoc wall was formed between the hack shelves and
>>>> member shelves, so that the member hallway is only accessible from one
>>>> end. The floor on closed-off side is full of random stuff, further
>>>> reducing accessibility for members. Who does any of it belong to? Not
>>>> much way to tell now.
>>>>
>>>> If you had stuff on your shelf that you cared about, I highly
>>>> recommend checking on it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Elijah Post<elijahpost at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Well hopefully everything will end positively. It's unfortunate that
>>>>> communication wasn't more clear.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Gian Pablo Villamil<
>>>> gian.pablo at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, Miloh didn't hear about it, I didn't hear about it, and we're
>>>>>> pretty well plugged in. I don't recall seeing it in any of the meeting
>>>>>> notes, and I do read all of them. Seriously, if you're going to be
>>>>>> moving people's stuff, you need at least a couple of rounds of "is it
>>>>>> OK if we do this" type messages to the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Elijah Post<elijahpost at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> The idea of the the move is as follows:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Create space for a fab lab for the Sewing machines and the
>>>>>>> Replicators to
>>>>>>> have a good space. (Right now the replicators are in as bad a place
>> as
>>>>>>> they've ever been.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Make it so the member shelves are still protected and difficult
>> for
>>>>>>> non-members to get to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many people were talked to about this before the move started. In
>>>>>>> addition I
>>>>>>> do believe it was brought up at a meeting (although I was not there).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:43 AM, jim<jim at well.com>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      I'm really glad to see this discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      The downside of blind do-ocracy is lack of coordination.
>>>>>>>> "Just do it" translates as "do as you please".
>>>>>>>>      For NB the notion of do-ocracy grew out of disgust with
>>>>>>>> people talking about stuff and not doing anything.
>>>>>>>>      If what you're doing doesn't affect anyone else, please
>>>>>>>> shut up and do it.
>>>>>>>>      If what you're doing might affect anyone else, please
>>>>>>>> let them know what you plan to do before you do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      What's the basic point? Unfettered do-ocracy is
>>>>>>>> indistinguishable from indulgence and inconsiderateness.
>>>>>>>> To be considerate requires restraint, i.e. discipline,
>>>>>>>> which is tough for children and childish personages.
>>>>>>>>      For the NB community's long term success, it's
>>>>>>>> important that each of us think about possible
>>>>>>>> consequences of our actions and actually talk to others.
>>>>>>>>      For that to happen, the community had better include
>>>>>>>> consideration and talking to each other as one of our
>>>>>>>> mantras.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 08:46 -0800, Liz Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Did the people who use the craft/sewing area want this move to
>>>>>>>>> happen?
>>>>>>>>> What was the point here?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Liz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/12 7:18 AM, gian.pablo at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> This sounds like such a bad idea. Who instigated this? If any of
>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> stuff goes missing I am done with Noisebridge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 8:58 PM, gnnrok<gnnrok at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Visited noisebridge tonight, noticed people were moving the
>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>> shelves over to the sewing area and the sewing area to the
>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>> shelves area.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The space is pretty chaotic at the moment, stuff spread around
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> chairs/tables clustered together near the electronics/wood
>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It seems there might be some use for help with the project, and
>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> ideas about whether or not it's the right fit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> Elijah Louis Spenser Post
>>>>>>> Mechanic (San Francisco Bike Kitchen)
>>>>>>> Participant (NoiseRep at Noisebridge)
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>>>>> Participant (NoiseRep at Noisebridge)
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